Scottish independence.

McCombi · 20 Sep 2014

Almost half of scots voted against remaining within the union, that was even with uncertanties regarding currency and taxes.
What does that tell you??

The world moves on, its hardly great britain anymore, so many people stuck in the past.

You can say what you like about us being bitter etc but even with severe biased bbc scaremongering, prime example...telling old people their pensions arent safe even though it was proved wrong by dwp it was still one of the main bt camps arguments.

The younger generations arent as easily fooled with the lies, our time will come again and the same aging population that is afraid of change, will no longer be voting and the people who bottled it will be wiser.

Of course there will no doubt be another war before then that we as the uk will have gotten into before then, and tragically more lives will be lost and more debt accumulated.

The mentality and ugliness of some posts on here are ridiculous, why cant you simply accept that many of us have completely different views on how we want to run our country in the future compared to the majority of southern england.

Im not scared of change, I can hold my head up high and know I was part of the 45%

Norcon · 20 Sep 2014

brassedoff said:
Almost half of scots voted against remaining within the union, that was even with uncertanties regarding currency and taxes.
What does that tell you??

The world moves on, its hardly great britain anymore, so many people stuck in the past.

You can say what you like about us being bitter etc but even with severe biased bbc scaremongering, prime example...telling old people their pensions arent safe even though it was proved wrong by dwp it was still one of the main bt camps arguments.

The younger generations arent as easily fooled with the lies, our time will come again and the same aging population that is afraid of change, will no longer be voting and the people who bottled it will be wiser.

Of course there will no doubt be another war before then that we as the uk will have gotten into before then, and tragically more lives will be lost and more debt accumulated.

The mentality and ugliness of some posts on here are ridiculous, why cant you simply accept that many of us have completely different views on how we want to run our country in the future compared to the majority of southern england.

Im not scared of change, I can hold my head up high and know I was part of the 45%

You're just another rebel trying to break up the union that our fore fathers fought and died for. Shame on you.

You deserve nothing better than the rest of the people in the UK.

Sadly the young people are impressionable with all the propaganda that was thrown at them by the rebel camp.

McCombi · 20 Sep 2014

What propeganda was that then?

Younger generations are capable of taking in more information than the rubbish on the telly.

Rebel... dont make me laugh, you want to see an orange march.. i have never seen any more hate than i have at seeing many of them. Usually brings all the thugs/ knuckle draggers wih them, whats so great about that?

We have clearly seen in last few days that scottish nationalism brings peace and hopes for future, the british nationalists just bring the usual hatred from he past.

bigot springs to mind.

Norcon · 20 Sep 2014

"We have clearly seen in last few days that scottish nationalism brings peace and hopes for future"

jockscott · 20 Sep 2014

brassed off, your info shows you live in Aberdeenshire. Quite away from the power base in Effinburgh, where (had the vote gaun the other way) the fatcats would live and work.(and make the rules) Make no mistake, Salmond and Sturgeon were not doing this for Scotland, they were doing it for themselves. He promised us lots, but then couldn't say where the money to pay for it was going to come from (aye nae doubt it wid be coming oot o our pockets)

"We have clearly seen in last few days that Scottish nationalism brings peace and hopes for future"

Aye George Square in Glasgow has shown us yesterday what Scottish Nationalism does fur peace. (no sure about the future though)
Salmond has managed to split our nation almost down the middle. He's got man fighting fellow man, all ower a silly cross on a voting slip. Ah hope he's bloody proud.

AronSearle · 20 Sep 2014

brassedoff said:
telling old people their pensions arent safe even though it was proved wrong by dwp it was still one of the main bt camps arguments.

Pensions are funded by tax, they do not exist as a pot.

Without steady oil revenue, pensions would be at risk, oil revenue is never steady.

Pensions would have been at a very real risk of devaluation under independence, they may also have been equal, or higher.

That's what risk means though, assessing which is the likely outcome.

The younger generations arent as easily fooled with the lies

Are you effing kidding me?

Young people make poor decisions, and vote stupid.

People who think otherwise, either never grew up, or are still stupid.

And before you put your foot in it, many academic studies show brain development is achieved at age 25, and that is before you start considering life experience.

Of course there will no doubt be another war before then that we as the uk will have gotten into before then, and tragically more lives will be lost and more debt accumulated.

Whether we should try to interfere in backward sand people countries is a valid point, claiming that this is an issue because it causes debt, is ****ing retarded, when you consider Scotland is a fully socialist country, debt is not a bad thing according to socialists, and is actually good as it fuels growth.

All Scottish independence plans would have accrued further debt.

why cant you simply accept that many of us have completely different views on how we want to run our country in the future compared to the majority of southern england.

Except that is complete rubbish.

You still want an NHS.

You still want social welfare.

Europe (forget UKIP, most people would still stay in the EU).

Education (you only get free tuition because we pay for it).

What you want, and what we want, fag papers difference.

Nothing but nationalistic w.a.n.k.

KenGMac · 20 Sep 2014

I for one, don't have a problem with only Scottish MP's (in Westminster) voting on Scottish matters. I don't have a problem with allowing only English MP's voting on English matters. The big problem I can see though, is the majority of Scots MP's belong to the Labour party and these are surely going to push through everything on the Labour agenda. Anything they don't like can be voted against. I know the electorate always have the chance to change things , come general election time,,, but most of the electorate have bloody short memories

The above from Jockscot.

This has at long, long last surfaced again.

first noted as an issue, by a Scotsman in as I recall 1971, yea all that time ago?

It was an issue that was at that time called "The West Lothian Question"

Question was posed by tam Dalziel

Nice to see that finally the Westminster government is addressing it, sorry Mr Milliband but you are about to loose a load of lobby fodder, Hey Ho such is life?[/quote]

jockscott · 20 Sep 2014

Aye Ken, Cameron has said that the West Lothian question now requires a decisive answer. Something that could have been sorted back in the late 70's. could be the "East Lothian answer " resurfaces , as proposed at the time by Malcolm Rifkind (had a house near me in Inveresk, hence the East Lothian answer)
As said previously, I can't forsee anything wrong regarding English MP's only voting on English state affairs (although Milibland will moan like f**k)

JBR · 21 Sep 2014

brassedoff said:
Younger generations are capable of taking in more information than the rubbish on the telly.

I think what you mean to say is that younger people are more easily conned, which is why Fishy Salmond insisted that the 16-year olds should be allowed to vote.

Didn't work out, though, did it?

megawatt · 21 Sep 2014

Shame we'll never get to see how the balance of the vote would have looked without the under 18 contingent ... VERY different methinks

Salmon thought he'd pulled a master stroke with this and he almost did!

Surprised he didn't try for pregnant 16 year olds having two votes as well.

I agree with many prior posts, this was all about Salmond and he's had the same ambition all his adult life.

It's divided Scotland, put Scot against Scot and it'll take quite some time for the damage to be undone.

He'll feel no responsibility or shame, though, as tw@ts like him never do.

Just hope the history books remember him as the failed egotist that he is.

MW

Norcon · 21 Sep 2014

"Surprised he didn't try for pregnant 16 year olds having two votes as well."

gas112 · 21 Sep 2014

never mind what the vote would look like with the youngsters would like to have seen what it looked like with just scottish born voting without the 477,000 english born and other foreigners votes

Norcon · 21 Sep 2014

It would be better to just get rid of self serving politicians like salmond who spread disunity, encourage hatred and spout lies and then see how the vote would go.

nickso · 21 Sep 2014

gas112 said:
never mind what the vote would look like with the youngsters would like to have seen what it looked like with just scottish born voting without the 477,000 english born and other foreigners votes

Scots no longer living in the country would probably have voted Yes as they wouldn't have had to live with the consequences. Some sort of faux patriotism would lead them to vote yes with no thought at all. Likewise Johnny Foreigner is actually living here and deserves a vote.

Like it or not you gave up your vote.....I hope you are not being bitter about it.

Astartes · 21 Sep 2014

brassedoff said:
Almost half of scots voted against remaining within the union, that was even with uncertanties regarding currency and taxes.
What does that tell you??

The world moves on, its hardly great britain anymore, so many people stuck in the past.

You can say what you like about us being bitter etc but even with severe biased bbc scaremongering, prime example...telling old people their pensions arent safe even though it was proved wrong by dwp it was still one of the main bt camps arguments.

The younger generations arent as easily fooled with the lies, our time will come again and the same aging population that is afraid of change, will no longer be voting and the people who bottled it will be wiser.

Of course there will no doubt be another war before then that we as the uk will have gotten into before then, and tragically more lives will be lost and more debt accumulated.

The mentality and ugliness of some posts on here are ridiculous, why cant you simply accept that many of us have completely different views on how we want to run our country in the future compared to the majority of southern england.

Im not scared of change, I can hold my head up high and know I was part of the 45%

45% of whit, Che? The residents of north Britain who could be arsed to vote. NOT 45% of the population. Between 5 &6 million folk in Scotland and you rustled up 1.6 to vote yes and it wasn't nearly enough. Dry yer eyes ffs yer petty inward looking nationalism has never been the majority view in Scotland and yer making us look like a bunch of semi-literate wallopers.
We had a democratic vote. Somebody won that vote. Deh greet.

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