LED Lights in bathroom over shower

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I've gone round and repllaced my MR16 spots with GU10 LEDs throughout the house. Each one was on a transformer and I've but a GU10 holder straight into the mains.

I've just got the bathroom left to do now and one of the lights is above the shower tray (2.2m above the tray)

I know that the LED needs to be on a LED driver but does it need to be a low voltage LED e.g. one of the 1.2W ones or can it still be the normal 4.5W LEDs that I've used throughout the house?

Thank you
 
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Gosh, lots of confusion here. Were your MR16s GU10s? I ask as MR16 refers to the diameter of the lamp in eights of an inch which can have various bases. GU10 is a type of base which can be found on various diameters of lamps. All these permutations can be found with lamp voltages of 12, 24, 120, or 240 volts, possibly others.

An LED above the shower can be any of these voltages. Note 240 volt is low voltage. 12 volt is extra low voltage.

The wattage has nothing to do with it.
 
I've gone round and repllaced my MR16 spots with GU10 LEDs throughout the house. Each one was on a transformer and I've but a GU10 holder straight into the mains.
How did you determine that the luminaire was safe to use at 230V, given that it was designed for 12V?

What have you done about earthing?


I know that the LED needs to be on a LED driver but does it need to be a low voltage LED e.g. one of the 1.2W ones or can it still be the normal 4.5W LEDs that I've used throughout the house?
As well as what winston said about voltages, it's worth noting that 1.2W does not imply ELV any more than 4.5W implies LV - they are just wattages, and I'm sure you can get ELV 4.5W LED lamps.
 
To make it clear this is exactly what I've done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlZvrCR7cZE

Gosh, lots of confusion here. Were your MR16s GU10s? I ask as MR16 refers to the diameter of the lamp in eights of an inch which can have various bases..

MR16s halogen with the 2 pins as in these

http://www.osram.co.uk/osram_uk/pro...s/halogen-lamps-with-reflector-mr16/index.jsp

How did you determine that the luminaire was safe to use at 230V, given that it was designed for 12V?

What have you done about earthing?

I spoke to an electrician and also checked when purchasing the stuff at the electrical supply store. The halogen ones were already earthed from the mains into a block.

So is it safe to put one of these above the shower in a bathroom on an led driver?

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/spot-lights/gu10-led-bulbs/new-4-5-watt-gu10-led-350-lumens.html

Thanks
 
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So is it safe to put one of these above the shower in a bathroom on an led driver?

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/spot-lights/gu10-led-bulbs/new-4-5-watt-gu10-led-350-lumens.html

Thanks
That lamp is 240 volt so you don't need an LED driver. The luminaire above a shower needs to be a sealed unit.

OK thanks, the existing halogen spot light isn't in a sealed unit mind? It's one of the ones where the bulb is just held in the housing with the circular metal wire that you pinch to release the spot light. It's a 50W halogen connected to a transformer above the shower. They're all like that in the block of apartments where I live.
 
So it needs changing then. Even if you were to retain the halogen lamp, which is supplied by a driver not a transformer by the way, that type of luminaire should not be over a shower.
 
So it needs changing then. Even if you were to retain the halogen lamp, which is supplied by a driver not a transformer by the way, that type of luminaire should not be over a shower.

I've taken the light fitting out and the halogen is connected to a green box labeled electronic transformer for lv-halogen lamps. I thought drivers were for LEDs and transformers were for halogens!?

It's been like that since the apartments were new (5 years ago)
 
OK thanks, the existing halogen spot light isn't in a sealed unit mind? It's one of the ones where the bulb is just held in the housing with the circular metal wire that you pinch to release the spot light. It's a 50W halogen connected to a transformer above the shower. They're all like that in the block of apartments where I live.

Thats because there 12 volt and the 240volt transformer is outside the shower Zone up in the ceiling

What your proposing is putting a 240 volt lamp within the shower zone
 
What your proposing is putting a 240 volt lamp within the shower zone
If one wanted to be pedantic ... the OP said that the light will be 2.2m above the shower tray. If, as is quite likely, the tray is more than 5cm above FFL, the light would, strictly speaking, not be in any zone.

Kind Regards, John
 
As a quide transformers do 12 volt halogen

drivers do 12 volt leds

Gu10 lamps, led or halogen use 240 v direct from mains.

Ideally shower light should be sealed more for damp issues etc,

and if 240 volt fitting must be shower compatible

240v gu10, led or 240v halogen is NOT suitable for Your open fitting within a shower

Thats why 12 volt via transformer was used, though your fitting even at 12volt proberly wont be suitable for current building regs
 
What your proposing is putting a 240 volt lamp within the shower zone
If one wanted to be pedantic ... the OP said that the light will be 2.2m above the shower tray. If, as is quite likely, the tray is more than 5cm above FFL, the light would, strictly speaking, not be in any zone.

Kind Regards, John

Missed that john
I was gonna ask the height actually :)

Still would like to see a fit for shower light regardless
 
So it needs changing then. Even if you were to retain the halogen lamp, which is supplied by a driver not a transformer by the way, that type of luminaire should not be over a shower.

I've taken the light fitting out and the halogen is connected to a green box labeled electronic transformer for lv-halogen lamps. I thought drivers were for LEDs and transformers were for halogens!?

It's been like that since the apartments were new (5 years ago)

There is no such thing as an electronic transformer. Even the manufacturers don't know this. Formally transformers were used for elv (not lv, something else manufacturers don't know) halogen lamps but when drivers were used for cheapness manufacturers continued to (wrongly) call them transformers.
 

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