Snap! I very nearly asked, too - but then saw the figure in the OP 'just in time'Missed that john ... I was gonna ask the height actually
Same here. Apart from anything else, I'm sure that my giant S-I-L could easily touch a light which was well above 2.25m, even if the tray was at FFL!
...and therefore, even if they were not, they then became transformers.
The halogen ones were ELV - they would not have been earthed.
In that case, the (potentially dangerous) confusion is so great, with a massive divide between the understanding of consumers (and others) and 'the industry', and clearly unlikely to change any time soon, that IMO the only safe thing to do is to ignore (or, at least, not rely upon) the terms "LV" and "ELV" and, instead, to talk only about actual voltages.
One can try, but I suspect and fear that it's essentially a lost cause - at least for a very long time to come. Personally I think it's really those who created the definitions of LV and ELV who need to have it explained to them how much (potentially dangerous) confusion these definitions have resulted in. A very high proportion of the general public (i.e. most of the population) undoubtedly regard, and will probably continue to regard, "low voltage" as implying that it is pretty safe, and doesn't represent a significant risk to life or limb. What the industry has chosen to call "low voltage" is low only in comparison with voltages that virtually none of the general public will ever have any dealings with.
I'm not at all sure about that. As I said, I believe that most people believe that 'low voltage' is essentially safe, the corollary of which is that they believe 'high voltage' to be 'unsafe' (or, alternatively, that 'unsafe voltages' are 'high'). I think that most are aware that household supplies are potentially dangerous, therefore ....!
The lamp you have linked to is 240volt and does not need a driver.
As I've implied, I find it totally ridiculous that we have a situation in which the 'official' terminology is (dangerously) inconsistent with what I believe that a very high proportion of the population believes to be the case. It's not even just the consumers - go into any appropriate 'consumer outlet' and ask where to find the "low voltage lamps/bulbs" and I doubt that you would in many cases be directed towards 230V/240V ones.
That would be an interesting test case, although I think it's relatively unlikely to happen that way around - since, as above, the public generally take 'low voltage' to mean something much less than 240V. Far more likley, IMO, is that they would be moaning because a 240V lamp/bulb ('correctly') labelled 'low voltage' did not work satisfactory off a 12V supply.
You seem to have somewhat "U-turned" in comparison with the view you are expressing in another threed about the general public's understanding (or lack of it) of volts, watts and kWh etc.
Which one do you mean?
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