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Good to see those liners celebrating our maritime history. Shame they're French and Italian built.
 
Good to see those liners celebrating our maritime history. Shame they're French and Italian built.
I second that, once a great ship building country its a shame that we no longer have the capacity or ability to build ships like these for ourselves.

Wotan
 
Good to see those liners celebrating our maritime history. Shame they're French and Italian built.
I second that, once a great ship building country its a shame that we no longer have the capacity or ability to build ships like these for ourselves.

Wotan

Yes, I can understand how we lost most of our industry to the Far East: their workers are prepared to work for peanuts, so they are able to produce goods far more cheaply than we can.

But how is it that France and Italy (in this instance) are capable of doing what we are not?
 
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Maybe those countries - certainly Germany as an overall example, take care of their own people first whatever their creed or culture.

Maybe a little like those of us who pay taxes 'looking after' the non taxpaying recipients of the EU agricultural payouts - unmentioned when 'benefits' are discussed dahn the pub...

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But how is it that France and Italy (in this instance) are capable of doing what we are not?


I seem to recall that the italian cruise ship captain wasn't quite as precise in his seamanship skills as those in the videos. ;)
 
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UK productivity lags behind France and Germany, never mind the Far East!

I keep hearing this, but how so? The French by law generally work far fewer hours than we do, and I bet both are more highly paid than us.
Not to mention the two-hour lunch..... ;)
 
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If the French are so much more productive than us, why is their economy supposedly so much worse than ours?
 
If Uk workers were are as productive as other countries , they could have Fridays off .

The example of the French is not that they are more productive despite their breaks and hours, but be because of them.

We often have a culture of working longer not smarter. Office workers staying late but not achieving much and then being tired the next day ;and resentful I suppose.

I see it in plastering, give someone a job and knock and it's done , but tell them to wait til five and they end up with the cleanest trowels in the country.

On price work they try and sneak another bucket on, on day work even patching they can't face mixing up a hawk full after 2 o'clock !
 
Uk workers 30% less productive than the French.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32827317

An interesting article.
It appears from this article that the three main reasons for our uncompetitive productivity are:

Technology
For a start, we do not invest enough - our companies don't spend enough on the latest technology or on research and development.

Management
The second major factor is that our companies are not well managed, we are it seems a nation of David Brents - the self satisfied but useless office manager in the sitcom The Office.

Bad education
The final point is that not only are our workers poorly managed, they are also in comparison with many of our rivals, poorly educated and poorly trained as well.

I just wonder whether there may be a fourth reason:

The attitudes of society
Over the years we have become accustomed to taking the philosophy of 'how little can I do for the most return', quite probably as a result of the unions' activities in the 1970s.
 
Uk workers 30% less productive than the French.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32827317

An interesting article.
It appears from this article that the three main reasons for our uncompetitive productivity are:

Technology
For a start, we do not invest enough - our companies don't spend enough on the latest technology or on research and development.

Management
The second major factor is that our companies are not well managed, we are it seems a nation of David Brents - the self satisfied but useless office manager in the sitcom The Office.

Bad education
The final point is that not only are our workers poorly managed, they are also in comparison with many of our rivals, poorly educated and poorly trained as well.

I just wonder whether there may be a fourth reason:

The attitudes of society
Over the years we have become accustomed to taking the philosophy of 'how little can I do for the most return', quite probably as a result of the unions' activities in the 1970s.


Your final one is interesting, I wonder if there are other factors?

Does govt subsidising low wages contribute to that culture too? Take on three workers that are subsidised rather than two that are better paid?
 
If Uk workers were are as productive as other countries , they could have Fridays off .

The example of the French is not that they are more productive despite their breaks and hours, but be because of them.

I can't imagine many employers here paying 5 days' for 4 days' of time spent at work, regardless of how much you got done in that 4 days (if not on a price, anyway, and certainly not on a permanent basis); they'd just expect you to flog your guts out for the fifth day too (we are one of only two countries in EU to have opted out of the 48 hr Working Time Directive, which in itself tells you something of our Masters' attitudes to "work-life balance").
 
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