Should we take more Syrian's?

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The reason half of the world wants to come here is because of our imperialist history, many countries look up to us as the people who brought them 'civilisation'.
Nothing to do with the generous benefits system and free healthcare system, then?
 
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Absolute hogwash. When do we stop? When we're actually full? If you let in a few million, where do they live? Where are all the spare hospital beds, roads, schools, jobs? They're all muzzies, don't you think we have enough taxi drivers and corner shops? Non-EU immigrants are a drain on the economy - FACT.

I really don't care about the economic side of the argument.

We are a rich nation, we can afford to take in millions (yes, millions) and house them service them and not see a huge negative effect on the economy

Only trouble is, it won't be the 'rich' part of the nation that suffers from millions of extra mouths to feed. That's likely to be a huge social impact borne of an economic drain. Society and economics are intertwined with each other.

And will the legions of migrants affect this rich country's 1.5 trillion debt?
 
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Absolute hogwash. When do we stop? When we're actually full? If you let in a few million, where do they live? Where are all the spare hospital beds, roads, schools, jobs? They're all muzzies, don't you think we have enough taxi drivers and corner shops? Non-EU immigrants are a drain on the economy - FACT.



It took us a long time and a lot of blood to get society to where it is morally and culturally today,

Same with the infrastructure we enjoy that took hundreds, if not thousands, of years to develop and get it to where it is now. Makes me laugh when people are OK with Johnny Foreigner coming here and working in a minimum wage job - and saying that because these migrants pay a few quid in NI, they are entitled to help themselves.

Also, any WW2 veterans still alive must be wondering why they bothered to defend these shores from a dangerous ideology, when we welcome another equally dangerous one in amongst us.
 
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Nevermind the increase in wealth, education, employment technology and general quality of life from even 20 years ago.

Maybe for the extra millions of immigrants.

But ordinary Brits gain very little. 20 or 30 years ago, ordinary people could afford a mortgage. Now they are lucky to be able to afford the rent on a poxy flat. Your answers are too simplistic. You talk about quality of life but ignore the fact that people are rapidly being priced out of the most basic of commodities - a home. Anyway, you're talking about standard of living - which is often totally different to quality of life. I can explain it to you if you ask me nicely.

But never mind, eh. They can now afford the payments on a new Korean car and their kids have 40 grands worth of debt for those Mickey Mouse degrees that got them jobs in Pizza Hut. That's part of what passes for quality of life in the 21st century. All an illusion based on smoke and mirrors - sold to you as 'you've never had it so good' by clever politicians.
 
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The reason half of the world wants to come here is because of our imperialist history, many countries look up to us as the people who brought them 'civilisation'.
Nothing to do with the generous benefits system and free healthcare system, then?

Of course, those things go hand in hand with civilisation. I don't mind if some of my taxes pay towards clothing and feeding families who have escaped a hell on earth we helped fashion. Do you?
 
I'm sure Aron was whining a couple of years back that he couldn't afford to buy a place to live.
 
How civilised are we now? Moaning about having to wait longer at the doctors, or sit in more traffic whilst humans are dying fleeing war zones we as a nation created.


Just for the record, I wasn't "moaning about traffic", or queuing at the doctors.
I was making the point that (regardless of whether we are rich, or not), that money is not currently going towards some basic services and infrastructure for the current population. It's easy to say "we're rich", and its easy to say "we've got housing for 5 million", but the hard part is backing up the words.
 
How civilised are we now? Moaning about having to wait longer at the doctors, or sit in more traffic whilst humans are dying fleeing war zones we as a nation created.


Just for the record, I wasn't "moaning about traffic", or queuing at the doctors.
I was making the point that (regardless of whether we are rich, or not), that money is not currently going towards some basic services and infrastructure for the current population. It's easy to say "we're rich", and its easy to say "we've got housing for 5 million", but the hard part is backing up the words.

Where is the money going do you think? And how much of it is going?

And I don't think anybody is suggesting we have housing for 5 million. What about 1% of that though?
 
How civilised are we now? Moaning about having to wait longer at the doctors, or sit in more traffic whilst humans are dying fleeing war zones we as a nation created.


Just for the record, I wasn't "moaning about traffic", or queuing at the doctors.
I was making the point that (regardless of whether we are rich, or not), that money is not currently going towards some basic services and infrastructure for the current population. It's easy to say "we're rich", and its easy to say "we've got housing for 5 million", but the hard part is backing up the words.

Where is the money going do you think? And how much of it is going?

And I don't think anybody is suggesting we have housing for 5 million. What about 1% of that though?

Nickjb reckoned there are 700k houses going spare. 5 per house, there's 3.5 million right there.
 
IF you watched the video on page 1 of this thread you would see that even if we did take in a million+ migrants and hosue them etc, it would barely make a dent.

I agree with the presenter - we need to do something but we need to do it where they are, yes another war - go and wipe IS out completely - show no mercy like they have shown none.
Help the people living there, teach them to defend themselves and to rebuild their country - to make it safe - let them build their own walled cities etc.

This would cost us money but at least it may mean some jobs for those going out there doing it. :)
 
But ordinary Brits gain very little. 20 or 30 years ago, ordinary people could afford a mortgage.

Actually 20 to 30 years ago lot's of people could not afford mortgages, which is why we built lot's of social housing.

Or would you like to argue both about the lack of council houses being built compared to yesteryear, but also that people didn't need them, the circular logic of that one could power a small town.

You are also confusing individual losers (including myself, as I struggle to pay a mortgage for a ****ty flat) with the overall economy.

Housing is so expensive because overall we have so much more wealth.

Anyway, you're talking about standard of living - which is often totally different to quality of life.

:eek:

The rest of your argument is of course just hyperbole and straw-men.
 
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