The power of propaganda.

In my opinion, we should be offering refuge to tens of thousands of asylum seekers, not hundreds.... If we want to be 'Great' Britain again.
Logically, then, perhaps we should be offering refuge to ALL asylum seekers. How many would that be? Millions? Wouldn't that encourage economic migrants too? All they'd have to do is claim that they are from a war-torn area and fear for their lives.

So, let's assume we admit millions (I think, actually, that we already have) and continue to do so for as long as they come. What will happen when the country's population has doubled and all of the people admitted are poor, have nothing and have nothing to offer. Half of our population (or more) would be taking and not giving. Wouldn't that result in the country as a whole becoming much much poorer?

Where would the money needed to support all these asylum seekers come from then?

Actually, I see that WS put it better than I did on a different thread:

"Only trouble is, it won't be the 'rich' part of the nation that suffers from millions of extra mouths to feed. That's likely to be a huge social impact borne of an economic drain. Society and economics are intertwined with each other.

And will the legions of migrants affect this rich country's 1.5 trillion debt?"

Can you post a link to the information regarding Britain already accepting millions of refugees please?
No, I'm afraid I can't offhand.
I don't think I said millions of refugees anyway, but I'm sure I heard on the news recently that we now have 8 million inhabitants (for want of a better word) who are non-British. As such, presumably they must be immigrants.
 
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Okay, you are getting offensive. Previously you have been just condescending. I will ignore you. :(
Where's JBR when you need him. HELP! I'm being hounded by Guardian readers!!:eek:
Don't look at me; I'm a Daily Mail reader and therefore ripe for denigration!

And there was me thinking you read the Socialist Workers Party rag. Well there you go, wrong again. :( Me old mum used to read the Daily Mail. I can't stand the Guardian, it's full of BS.
 
I often wonder if the blinkered who are jumping on the refugee/migrant bandwagon will eventually get 'it'?

Will they complain when they can't get little Tarquin into the local school because there are no spaces?
Will they complain when they can't park the Volkswagen anywhere near the high street?
Will they complain when Tarquin grows up and can't find or afford somewhere to live?
Will they complain when their gran has a heart attack but has to spend five hours in an ambulance because there are no beds?

My guess is, they will be the first to complain.....but they still won't make the connection.

I am happy to make those sacrifices if it means saving lives.
I don't believe you.
How old are you?
When you are old, and you're in the situation of 'gran' in Squeaky's post, you might think differently.

Whether you believe me or not is your concern, not mine. I'm 37. How old are you?
I'm 63. The point I am making is that I am unlikely to live for longer than you; quite the opposite, in fact. Therefore, if things continue as they are, you are more likely than me to suffer the consequences of such things as an oversubscribed NHS and especially emergency health care.
Why isn't Israel forced to accept these migrants ?Were it not for their warmongering and meddling (backed up by the US), these people would not be fleeing their country.
you could also mention Saudi Arabia a country which refuses to accept any refugees.

Are you saying we should use Saudi Arabia as our moral compass?

Are you saying we should admit millions of economic migrants?

No. Are you saying we should watch people die?

Why don't the other muzzie countries want them? So, a few people die on boats trying to improve their financial situation after paying traffikers thousands of pounds - and you want us to open our borders to potentially millions of people who hate us but want our lifestyle? Hmm.

You need to get a grip, stop swallowing emotive media b0110x, and see the dangers for us in allowing millions of ROP parasites in.

Stop being such an easily lead girl's blouse!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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I understand your concerns. However, I feel as a nation we used to be compassionate towards those born into circumstances less desirable than our own. The change from that, to a country which can stand by and watch our fellow man have his life ripped to shreds and simply shrug, is a transition I find hard to bear.

Those are some powerful rose tinted glasses you have, where did you buy them?
 
I often wonder if the blinkered who are jumping on the refugee/migrant bandwagon will eventually get 'it'?

Will they complain when they can't get little Tarquin into the local school because there are no spaces?
Will they complain when they can't park the Volkswagen anywhere near the high street?
Will they complain when Tarquin grows up and can't find or afford somewhere to live?
Will they complain when their gran has a heart attack but has to spend five hours in an ambulance because there are no beds?

My guess is, they will be the first to complain.....but they still won't make the connection.

I am happy to make those sacrifices if it means saving lives.
I don't believe you.
How old are you?
When you are old, and you're in the situation of 'gran' in Squeaky's post, you might think differently.

Whether you believe me or not is your concern, not mine. I'm 37. How old are you?
I'm 63. The point I am making is that I am unlikely to live for longer than you; quite the opposite, in fact. Therefore, if things continue as they are, you are more likely than me to suffer the consequences of such things as an oversubscribed NHS and especially emergency health care.
Why isn't Israel forced to accept these migrants ?Were it not for their warmongering and meddling (backed up by the US), these people would not be fleeing their country.
you could also mention Saudi Arabia a country which refuses to accept any refugees.

Are you saying we should use Saudi Arabia as our moral compass?

Are you saying we should admit millions of economic migrants?

No. Are you saying we should watch people die?

Why don't the other muzzie countries want them? So, a few people die on boats trying to improve their financial situation after paying traffikers thousands of pounds - and you want us to open our borders to potentially millions of people who hate us but want our lifestyle? Hmm.

You need to get a grip, stop swallowing emotive media b0110x, and see the dangers for us in allowing millions of ROP parasites in.

Stop being such an easily lead girl's blouse!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://syrianrefugees.eu

Oh dear, it appears they do.
 
I understand your concerns. However, I feel as a nation we used to be compassionate towards those born into circumstances less desirable than our own. The change from that, to a country which can stand by and watch our fellow man have his life ripped to shreds and simply shrug, is a transition I find hard to bear.

Those are some powerful rose tinted glasses you have, where did you buy them?

You are right, it was a daft statement. We have never been compassionate.
 
I understand your concerns. However, I feel as a nation we used to be compassionate towards those born into circumstances less desirable than our own. The change from that, to a country which can stand by and watch our fellow man have his life ripped to shreds and simply shrug, is a transition I find hard to bear.

Those are some powerful rose tinted glasses you have, where did you buy them?

You are right, it was a daft statement. We have never been compassionate.

There are and have been many conflicts and mass displacements around the world, including massacres in northern Africa, persecution in Egypt, millions of Palestinian refugees, Libyan refugees, Syrian refugees, Ukraine etc. People have been drowning while fleeing for months if not years. And yet for some reason the media have decided to suddenly suggest we take some in.

Perhaps we could have a rational discussion, rather than one based on emotion. Given the massive numbers of refugees and asylum seekers:

1. How many should the UK take in?
2. What will the impact and cost be?
3. Is there a limit to how many we can take, and if so, what is it?
4. How do we distinguish between economic migrants, and refugees?
5. How many refugees are there?
6. If we start taking in Syrians, why not others? Why are we compassionate to some and not to others? Are some lives of less value?

If there is one question above all I'd like you to answer, it's this:

Q. Do you think we should let in any refugee who wishes to come here, and if not, why not?
 
You are right, it was a daft statement. We have never been compassionate.

We are becoming more compassionate with each year.

Colonial times, occupation of india etc, world war 2 and all the shenanigans at that time, persecution of gays, Racial segregation etc.

Now we are spending huge parts of our wealth helping poorer countries, we spend our soldiers blood trying to help the middle east (whatever our effectiveness, I do believe we 'try' to do the right thing, at what other point in history have we sent soldiers of to die to defend someone else's soil for no benefit to ourselves, (and please stuff the blood for oil rhetoric)).

So please eff off with the, 'we used to be more compassionate' nonsense.
 
...and Merkel said yesterday that ALL Syrians are welcome in Germany. She's opened a flood gate that she cannot turn off. Stupid woman.
 
Yeah, the people smugglers and Isis will be rubbing their hands with glee now thinking of all the money they can make from terrorising and killing people.
In the meantime we'd better start teaching our kids the koran in schools, it will make it easier for them to integrate into the society they'll have to live in when they leave.
Stupid, stupid woman.
 
Wasnt there a similar argument in the 1980`s when the " Iron Lady" refused to allow Vietnamese Boat People Refugees into this Country,

Willie Whitelaw convinced her she did have a heart, so then she let in some 20.000 refugees
 
When Australia refused to take Boat People and took them to a deserted island processing camp they suddenly decided their plight wasn't so bad after all, and stopped sailing in leaky boats.
 
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Why don't the other muzzie countries want them?
Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon have taken in millions and half a million Syrians living in Saudi.:confused:
half a million syrians living in Saudi Arabia doesnt mean half a million syrian refugees living in Saudi Arabia
you are getting you refugees mixed up with you migrants again LoL.
Why dont get yourself a dictionary and look up meaning of the words refugee and migrant you will be surprised to find they dont mean the same thing
Saudi Arabia has around 9 million foreign workers a lot of them are from refugee producing countries and been coming to Saudi Arabia for decades.
Kuwait and the UAE have 100s of thousands of Syrians working in their countries i suppose you would classify them as refugees as well.
 
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