woodburner boundary walls

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im a new member so unsure if it belongs here or not

I have a homemade rocket stove woodburner which gives off a clean burn using secondary air technology and i have it in a shed within my property

however im between 2 boundarys the main rd / causeway and the neighbours boundary a shared boundary wall

boiler flue distances and other forum posts discusing boundary wall issues with neighbours and plume of smoke going over boundarys of propertys

im already involved with planning due to a change of roof on the shed which is a permanent built shed built from birky engineering bricks so is old and we have been living in the property since 1981 so is much older than that and has had guttering on the property over the boundary wall with no cribing from neighbours for over 34 years and was put on to stop water exiting from the roof onto there property as polightness years ago and been replaced since in keeping up with maintenence on the property

I changed the roof from a slopping roof to an apex roof but have fallen foul of the boundary arrangements and therefore planning

it has been mentioned about the 2.5m away from the boundary lines for an exiting of a flue and i havent been able to find anything upon the subject until i came across some posts upon these forums as i remember the rule being 600mm away and also

the apex roof 86 1/2" 2200mm within boundary walls
the boundary walls size is 109 1/2" 2750mm this is the size of the shed as the shed is situated between boundary wall of the highway pathway and also the neighbours property its called land swapping of old where neighbours swapped land to gain land in other parts as our house is over 250 years old and maybe older

please note i understand bad fumes all to well and didnt want it upsetting neighbours
this is the rocket burner in question all wood burners let off smoke or fumes when first lit min is in the range of 2-5 mins before fully clean using very little wood heat range of these things is between 900f and 1800f


thanks for looking gaz
 
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as a further fill in to the above post

the subject within these forums has caught my attention due to that i will be dealing with it very soon and I am seeking advice upon the situation i presume some wont like it due to it not being a manufacturer build system and is instead a homemade system

//www.diynot.com/diy/threads/n...-boiler-flue-within-my-boundary.290411/page-3

See Party Wall Act explanatory booklet para 3, page 6.

See Approved Document J Pages 49 and 50.

as this is a homemade item i suspect many wont like them being used the rocket stove is not like general woodburning stoves or multifuel wood stove

yes it does produce smoke but only at the initual startup of the system ( 2 mins too 15 mins ) after this the rocket stove gives from wiki links

A rocket stove is an efficient cooking stove using small diameter wood fuel which is burned in a simple combustion chamber containing a vertical chimney, which ensures almost complete combustion prior to the flames reaching the cooking surface. It uses the same principle as the Dakota fire pit.

the rocket stove is an extension to this as its also a thermal store storing the heat in a mass before exiting up the flue pipe

has seen usage with the more popular and except stoves of the aga esse and rayburn cooking stove that use secondary air technology for a cleaner burn but burn alot of wood even industry has turned to secondary air usage for a much cleaner burning wood stove and so do the pellet burners or downdraft systems

as that system was a trial build im on a brand new build to greatly improve what i have already as this system already burns 2 black builders buckets a day or when in usage
improvements to the initial stove is being made something between these systems

based in uk


based in canada using one log of oak 20" long and heats all day long heating a workshop in minus temperatures of -15 holding a temperature around 70 °F


with the interests of making everyone not suffer from dirty smoke caused by wood burners rocket stoves gives that result with a sweet smelling wood burning smell from non dirty wood it also has a collection system of ash caught within the system before exit to the flue

as with the video illustrated the rocket stove gives off a clean burn exiting from the flue pipe even though it was a test stove
 
But it is not a DEFRA exempted appliance, and as such cannot be used to burn wood fuel in a smokeless zone. The flexi flue liner in the vid MUST be encased in a masonary flue and it is not long enough to comply with clearance from combustible roof. In addition your description suggests your flue is not high enough to comply with regs.
 
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thankyou for your reply Bennachie

as a homemade unit it is not a defra exempted appliance unless I or others pay for the rocket stoves being tested

however one of the rocket stove was tested within the decathlon in usa for alliance for green heat

http://www.forgreenheat.org/stovedesign/finalists.html

as you quote im under the clearance height for the roof therefore must follow the abc of roof height of the flue therefore that must be changed to the required amount

with a house it would be that rule you have quoted using a dual flue linear or encased within a masonary flue im unsure if the same regulations would be the same with a shed build

ive already made sure the install is protected at the exit through the roof using a 3 core method so no heat can be transfered to the surrounding material

at moment ive had to stop whilst the we ask the council if we need planning for the roof change on the shed and also need to provide adequate info for the wood stove
im not in a smokeless zone
mine dosnt smoke only at starting of it as been tested but the next doors house smoked so often in the last yeah and a quarter that everyone was complaining about it I proved to everyone that it isnt my wood burner and that it was the next door neighbours smoking and burning everything that he shouldnt do with choking fumes due to that they was burning anything within it

this has only stopped due to his complaint and they know council is involved and hes gone as smokeless as possible except for at night where it still smokes
 
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I'm fairly confident that the regs (flue liner) don't say "unless installed in a shed or lean-to"
The operative word is "liner"

IU am not HEATAS, but suspect that a the regbs have been written with a consideration for the material requiring "mechanical" protection, as well as heat transfer
 
Regs indeed do not differentiate between house and shed..........

Building Regs Part J primarily.

Your 'flexi' does not comply unless encapsulated in a masonry flue. IF you are going down that route you need a twin wall, insulated, factory chimney system and comply with the requirements for minimum clearances - IN THE EVENT OF A CHIMNEY FIRE.

Being in a shed does not exempt you from the regulations regarding height and clearances with regard to POTENTIAL smoke nuisance of neighbours.

In addition, in the event of a fire and there is damage to property, a non HETAS or cerificated installation will inevitably result in any insurance being invalid.
 
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In addition, in the event of a fire and there is damage to property, a non HETAS or cerificated installation will inevitably result in any insurance being invalid.

This is often stated. Although I would not encourage DIY of a certain nature (and the OP is a classic case of a little knowledge), does anyone have any evidence that this "non insured" has any basis in fact?

Most people wil argue that suicide negates a life insurance policy.............
 
Minor fire in property and some damage caused by relatively recent solid fuel installation. Householder asked for certification etc. Contents not covered.
At sale of property conveyancing requires cert of electric, windows and solid fuel work.....
 
Regs indeed do not differentiate between house and shed..........

Building Regs Part J primarily.

Your 'flexi' does not comply unless encapsulated in a masonry flue. IF you are going down that route you need a twin wall, insulated, factory chimney system and comply with the requirements for minimum clearances - IN THE EVENT OF A CHIMNEY FIRE.

Being in a shed does not exempt you from the regulations regarding height and clearances with regard to POTENTIAL smoke nuisance of neighbours.

In addition, in the event of a fire and there is damage to property, a non HETAS or cerificated installation will inevitably result in any insurance being invalid.

fireman t im aware of heat transfer therefore have included 2 non heat trasfer plates so no heat can be transfered to the surrounding material

the flue liner was installed as it was just a shed but on further looking of late yes i am going to install a double wall chimney i think its the better option thats if i get to keep the woodburner

In addition, in the event of a fire and there is damage to property, a non HETAS or cerificated installation will inevitably result in any insurance being invalid.

This is often stated. Although I would not encourage DIY of a certain nature (and the OP is a classic case of a little knowledge), does anyone have any evidence that this "non insured" has any basis in fact?

Most people wil argue that suicide negates a life insurance policy.............

as an ex builder im aware of some of the regs and have done up many a flat and old peoples homes including ones that have had corgi registered there installing whose installation failed badly an 8" flue liner was installed just above the plate within the chimney and a 6" liner droped down the chimney the other 2 stupid things was not enough oxygen entering the buiding wth an open flame on the boiler never mind the unsoldered gas pipe that was laid under the floor

dosnt mean the job is right in the first place

ive also thrown out many a corgi registered person for failing within his job on the council property that i rented over the years for doing bodged work amazing how much really gets done to put things right when you report them to the council for it

so as goes for diy im far from it but yes im behind on some regulations that im not aware of and i am catching up on them again so thanks for the advice its well apreciated

as goes for insurance companys many refuse to pay out or give peanuts for what youve paid for over the years and only because government or council state you need this and that in certificates to prove things prove nothing only cost the customer more money sorry but to me thats corporate systems keeping the little man down

ive seen many a bad mistake over the years done by certificated people that should know better but greed move onto the next quick buck

Minor fire in property and some damage caused by relatively recent solid fuel installation. Householder asked for certification etc. Contents not covered.
At sale of property conveyancing requires cert of electric, windows and solid fuel work.....

theres still many a house out there that has no certificate for the building

oh and the latest one metal consumer units are to be reinstalled back into households due to the plastic ones setting fire in the fuse boxes

back to the subject i know that im going to have to do some improvements and some of the in for thats been illustrated has to be followed for compliance of the regs however its unknown if i can keep the woodburner or not sounds stupid but its worse keeping a gas bottle within a shed with a calor fire

as goes for enviromental health i will have to deal with them and as mine only smokes at the start of it. it causes little issue with the neighbours compared to his that chokes you mines a sweet smeling one and i have had some nice comments about it though i suspect I will have to have a visit from them to prove my comments and hopefully may get it passed so it can be used

strange thing ive used the woodburner for well over a year and half with no trouble from neighbours but the neighbour has got trouble for the crap hes pumped out of his chimney onto cars and also burning pure embers up the chimney and still hot on the roof because hes got no arrester on his chimney

at least i had some consideration for other people and dont pump out obnoxious fumes for people to breath in even with a dirty build that fireman T reckons upon and i would not think twice on building a wittus twinfire system
 
As you are not in a smokeless zone (most of the UK is designated as such if there is mains gas) then if the flue is compliant and your council sign off the installation as being building regs compliant you should have no issues.

Of course there are non certificated buildings out there. Regulations are rarely retrospective. Certification is required upon modification/reinstallation.
 

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