I have a potential building plot , I've had an architect have a quick look but he dismissed it straight away as the access is only 40 meters away from the brow of a hill , is there any way round this ?? Many thanks
60 meter rule
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What speed limit is the road?
It's 30 mph mate
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OK, so for a 30mph road the visibility splay is usually 60m but can under exceptional circumstances be reduced to 33m (depending on the number of vehicles using the road per day). So if you are at 60m away from your access point, you need to be able to see a 0.6m high object at a height of 1.05m. Bit difficult to explain (see diagram below). In essence you will need to show that you have both horizontal and vertical visibility splays to meet the Local Highways Authority requirements. Without knowing what the steepness of the hill is in relation to distance, it is a little difficult to be general about this but simply saying 40m away from the brow is too short, I don't think is correct.
As this:
As this:
Ok cheers for that I'm beginning to get my head round it now , I will put some photos up at the weekend . The road is quiet busy at rush hour but not to bad otherwise . I guess the councils argument is someone driving other the brow of the hill at 30 mph needs at lest 60 meters to brake if someone was pulling out from the driveway ???
Planners have to follow the Highways Agency guidelines, not the Ford Anglia Owners Club.
If a professional has actually seen the site and said no, then why fish on a forum?
If this is your plot of land that you want to make a tidy profit from, then pay for some proper advice.
If a professional has actually seen the site and said no, then why fish on a forum?
If this is your plot of land that you want to make a tidy profit from, then pay for some proper advice.
Cambridge above is a pic of the plot , basically the bottom of my boundary is in the middle of the bushes on the left & the road sign is on the brow of the hill about 40/50 metres away .
Thanks
Thanks
OK, thanks for the picture.
Looking at this, the lane markings indicate warning lines and the road traffic sign indicates queues beyond.
The local highway authority would be concerned about traffic coming over the hill and seeing a vehicle in front wanting to turn right into your property, so will almost certainly insist on the standard 60m. There are a number of options that could be explored by an appropriate traffic/planning consultant:
1. Undertake a traffic speed survey (using the rubber counters across the road) to obtain an accurate speed of vehicles (usually 85%tile).
2. Consider a Section 278/38 to build a new "Right Hand Turn lane" if there is sufficient width of highway land available (could be expensive overall)
It might be expensive but if it enables you to obtain planning permission then it is probably worth it.
Looking at this, the lane markings indicate warning lines and the road traffic sign indicates queues beyond.
The local highway authority would be concerned about traffic coming over the hill and seeing a vehicle in front wanting to turn right into your property, so will almost certainly insist on the standard 60m. There are a number of options that could be explored by an appropriate traffic/planning consultant:
1. Undertake a traffic speed survey (using the rubber counters across the road) to obtain an accurate speed of vehicles (usually 85%tile).
2. Consider a Section 278/38 to build a new "Right Hand Turn lane" if there is sufficient width of highway land available (could be expensive overall)
It might be expensive but if it enables you to obtain planning permission then it is probably worth it.
Thanks
Thank you very much 
brummie that's just the sort of info I was after .
brummie that's just the sort of info I was after .DIYnot Local
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