Migrants Immigrants and Asylum seekers.

I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?
 
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dismissing reliable sources as biased?

Are you saying the BBC are not biased?

They have a certain mindset, which is perhaps mildly left of centre. But by law they must be honest and factually accurate. Unlike YouTube videos that are faked. And some of the other extreme propaganda. And as for the Daily Mail, it is as disingenuous and biased as the Grauniad.
 
I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?

Actually Germany needs immigrants due to a falling birth rate. So quite different from this country.
 
I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?

Actually Germany needs immigrants due to a falling birth rate. So quite different from this country.
Maybe so, but invite them to Germany ONLY then.
 
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Definitely a minority. Only a thousand or so out of millions involved. You'd be a fool to think all migrants are that sort. I doubt though that is any consolation to a rape victim. As I say, not exaggerating, fabricating or lying. Just quoting "topical, recent events" in the mainstream press.

Agree with you there Mitch... Thing is when Merkel invited all and sundry to "her" country, she never thought of doing any serious checks on those entering Germany.
Problem is she wasn't inviting them to her country any more...She invited them to all EU countries without consulting the elected governments of those countries.....

Actually the EU tried to impose quotas on all European countries. Another reason not to be part of an undemocratic institution.
 
They have a certain mindset, which is perhaps mildly left of centre. But by law they must be honest and factually accurate. Unlike YouTube videos that are faked. And some of the other extreme propaganda. And as for the Daily Mail, it is as disingenuous and biased as the Grauniad.

I think the BBC were economical with the truth re Cologne. The German police were also instrumental in trying to cover up that the majority of the abuse that night was carried out by refugees / immigrants.

Actually the EU tried to impose quotas on all European countries. Another reason not to be part of an undemocratic institution.

I agree, leave the EU.
 
Good thread. The untalkable (usually) discussed from various viewpoints in a civil manner, with respect all round. TBH the immigrant thing has been done to death. We all know where we stand and no ones changing their view in a hurry. Allowing all sides to discuss this, without wiping the thread out though, is a good thing. Free speech is one thing we all like.
 
I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?

Actually Germany needs immigrants due to a falling birth rate. So quite different from this country.
No it doesn't that is a fantasy that you have been told by the BPC similar to the fairy story that we need immigrants to man the NHS...
 
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I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?

Actually Germany needs immigrants due to a falling birth rate. So quite different from this country.
No it doesn't that is a fantasy that you have been told by the BPC similar to the fairy story that we need immigrants to man the NHS...Only cheese brains believe that carp..

Really, well I'd rather believe the media I follow such as the Times, and R4, than you. It is well known that we do not train enough medics. Feel free to quote reliable sources for your claims. By the way, I am far more highly qualified than you ever will be, so cut the verbal abuse.
 
With all due respect WWT, the microsecond this thread cropped up, you were already waiting for the very first opportunity to brand anyone who disagrees with you as being right wing / racist. It almost comes across that it's actually you who has no desire to discuss sensibly.

As I've said before, I doubt you're a bad bloke. Maybe just take a step back and chill a bit?
 
I think that's what angers many people.
She opened the floodgates, and the refugees were forced on others without any say whatsoever.

Not really democratic imo?

Actually Germany needs immigrants due to a falling birth rate. So quite different from this country.
No it doesn't that is a fantasy that you have been told by the BPC similar to the fairy story that we need immigrants to man the NHS...Only cheese brains believe that carp..

Really, well I'd rather believe the media I follow such as the Times, and R4, than you. It is well known that we do not train enough medics. Feel free to quote reliable sources for your claims. By the way, I am far more highly qualified than you ever will be, so cut the verbal abuse.
Out of interest..

More qualified in what?
 
Has the thread that dared to mention the factual, current events of German women being sexually assualted by migrants been hidden??
Seems the truth is the problem to some on here. Hey guy's. It's fact. It happened. If the migrants were kept out, a hundred women would have been spared sexual assualt, even rape. Come on then you guys, hide the truth again quick.

Except we can't discuss some things because those with extreme views hijack them to claim that is typical of all refugees/migrants, and then post fake videos, fake stories etc etc in support of an extreme agenda. And they quote stories, as you do, out of context, no attempt to determine how many don't commit such crimes, no attempt to determine how many Germans commit such crimes. I have no problem saying the behaviour you mention is disgusting. But many here have an extreme racist agenda, and have no interest in objective discussions. You could equally say that some blacks carried out some murders, and then ask how many people would be alive today had we kept blacks out. Etc etc blah blah.
Here......

You took the first available opportunity to have a go.....and you wonder why people bite back?

Bearing in mind, that which Mitch said is fact - not made up.
By the way, the latest complaints are now at 500......
 
Has the thread that dared to mention the factual, current events of German women being sexually assualted by migrants been hidden??
Seems the truth is the problem to some on here. Hey guy's. It's fact. It happened. If the migrants were kept out, a hundred women would have been spared sexual assualt, even rape. Come on then you guys, hide the truth again quick.

Except we can't discuss some things because those with extreme views hijack them to claim that is typical of all refugees/migrants, and then post fake videos, fake stories etc etc in support of an extreme agenda. And they quote stories, as you do, out of context, no attempt to determine how many don't commit such crimes, no attempt to determine how many Germans commit such crimes. I have no problem saying the behaviour you mention is disgusting. But many here have an extreme racist agenda, and have no interest in objective discussions. You could equally say that some blacks carried out some murders, and then ask how many people would be alive today had we kept blacks out. Etc etc blah blah.
Here......

You took the first available opportunity to have a go.....and you wonder why people bite back?

Bearing in mind, that which Mitch said is fact - not made up.
By the way, the latest complaints are now at 500......

I did not have a go. What I said was no more than fact. Why do you think mods asked us not to talk about these subjects? Why do you think mods and others openly complain about openly racist posts on this forum? I find some of the extreme anti Muslim posts on this forum repellent. As do some others. And when I complain about these, I am verbally abused, called a libtard etc etc. The more extreme posts on this forum are a disgrace.

Incidentally, some information on German population growth:

http://www.tatsachen-ueber-deutschland.de/en/society/main-content-08/demographic-trends.html

Without immigration, the population would not sustain itself.
 
Has the thread that dared to mention the factual, current events of German women being sexually assualted by migrants been hidden??
Seems the truth is the problem to some on here. Hey guy's. It's fact. It happened. If the migrants were kept out, a hundred women would have been spared sexual assualt, even rape. Come on then you guys, hide the truth again quick.

Except we can't discuss some things because those with extreme views hijack them to claim that is typical of all refugees/migrants, and then post fake videos, fake stories etc etc in support of an extreme agenda. And they quote stories, as you do, out of context, no attempt to determine how many don't commit such crimes, no attempt to determine how many Germans commit such crimes. I have no problem saying the behaviour you mention is disgusting. But many here have an extreme racist agenda, and have no interest in objective discussions. You could equally say that some blacks carried out some murders, and then ask how many people would be alive today had we kept blacks out. Etc etc blah blah.
Here......

You took the first available opportunity to have a go.....and you wonder why people bite back?

Bearing in mind, that which Mitch said is fact - not made up.
By the way, the latest complaints are now at 500......

I did not have a go. What I said was no more than fact. Why do you think mods asked us not to talk about these subjects? Why do you think mods and others openly complain about openly racist posts on this forum? I find some of the extreme anti Muslim posts on this forum repellent. As do some others. And when I complain about these, I am verbally abused, called a libtard etc etc. The more extreme posts on this forum are a disgrace.

Incidentally, some information on German population growth:

http://www.tatsachen-ueber-deutschland.de/en/society/main-content-08/demographic-trends.html

Without immigration, the population would not sustain itself.
Yes it would, how did they sustain the population after WW2?.... It's just that the idiots see immigration as the easy and cheap way out
 
WWT,

Where was Muslim mentioned? Immigrants were mentioned......
Where is there anything racist on this thread? - It's you that seems to think that way and tar anyone with that brush who dares to mention such things or challenge you. Is it your only comeback?

Take Cologne.......
Most of women that have been abused / raped have said that the perpetrator was North African / Arabic - are they lying?
I just cannot see what the problem is, of being concerned about this and voicing an opinion. Would you feel the same if one of the victims was your wife / daughter / family?
Why is it racist to be concerned about such issues? - This happened, it was not made up.
 
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