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The Euro and the EU are well on their way to being flushed down the U bend
Depressingly, it may not be as simple as that.
FWIW, here's my take on what will happen;
1. In the event of a 'remain' vote, we may as well all pack our bags and emigrate to Syria, because the weather will be better.
2. In the event of a 'leave' vote, the following will take place;
(a) there will have to be lengthy negotiations on leaving arrangements;
(b) at this point, EUrocrats, French farmers and the rest will be up in arms because they will suddenly realize that one of
the teats on which Europe has been sucking for so long and so freely, is about to be withdrawn.
(c) Under immense pressure, Hollande will offer our little puppy-dog of a prime minister a little biscuit, which will be a
5% reduction in the gazillion pounds we pay annually to stay in the club.
(d) tail wagging, the puppy dog will bounce back to London and tell us that we are staying in after all. The results of
Referendum will be declared null, because the 'terms' are now 'even better', so we will be staying in after all.
(e) The Tories will loose power at the next election, there being no overall majority for any party. Cameron will be deposed
but will have a highly-paid seat on the board of News International, and will eventually end up alongside Neil Kinnock
with his snout in the Eurotrough.
You read it here.
FWIW, here's my take on what will happen;
1. In the event of a 'remain' vote, we may as well all pack our bags and emigrate to Syria, because the weather will be better.
2. In the event of a 'leave' vote, the following will take place;
(a) there will have to be lengthy negotiations on leaving arrangements;
(b) at this point, EUrocrats, French farmers and the rest will be up in arms because they will suddenly realize that one of
the teats on which Europe has been sucking for so long and so freely, is about to be withdrawn.
(c) Under immense pressure, Hollande will offer our little puppy-dog of a prime minister a little biscuit, which will be a
5% reduction in the gazillion pounds we pay annually to stay in the club.
(d) tail wagging, the puppy dog will bounce back to London and tell us that we are staying in after all. The results of
Referendum will be declared null, because the 'terms' are now 'even better', so we will be staying in after all.
(e) The Tories will loose power at the next election, there being no overall majority for any party. Cameron will be deposed
but will have a highly-paid seat on the board of News International, and will eventually end up alongside Neil Kinnock
with his snout in the Eurotrough.
You read it here.
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If Cameron manages to swing an "In" vote then the UK will become simply an EU region, the elected government will be middle managers with no real power. The pound will become the Euro early next decade and Germany's current migration problem will become ours. To cheer three of you up, I will be emigrating to Russia...
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did you really mean that?
I am sure we will remain in. Fear, uncertainty and doubt will dominate. People will be scared of the 'risk' of leaving, and ignore the bigger risk of staying. I think we have to get out, become part of the European trading area, make our own laws, control our own borders.
Quite true, and depressing.
Recent polls show that, regardless of political affiliations, older people (50+) are far more inclined to vote 'leave',
while younger people (20s and 30s) more inclined to 'remain'.
Perhaps this is because older people feel duped by the 1975 referendum, when we were told that the EEC was just a trading block.
As you get older, you see the broad picture and how things are moving. Young 'remain' voters may not realize that what they
are voting for now will not be the same in 25 years time.
By then, of course, it will be too late.
Recent polls show that, regardless of political affiliations, older people (50+) are far more inclined to vote 'leave',
while younger people (20s and 30s) more inclined to 'remain'.
Perhaps this is because older people feel duped by the 1975 referendum, when we were told that the EEC was just a trading block.
As you get older, you see the broad picture and how things are moving. Young 'remain' voters may not realize that what they
are voting for now will not be the same in 25 years time.
By then, of course, it will be too late.
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Absolutely, I wanted to get a feel as to what people would vote.
My hope is that the U.K. gets out as soon as possible - While it can still do so peaceably.
The young are idealistic, they see cooperation, harmony, making laws uniform etc. They don't see bureacracy, lack of democratic oversight, corruption (Italy, Greece), horse trading that benefits some and not others.
You haven't got to be young to have ideals.
Have you got to be old to be sour, embittered and opposed to international co-operation?
How many Trumps do we have in the electorate, who dislike people who are foreign, or have a different language, culture or religion?
Have you got to be old to be sour, embittered and opposed to international co-operation?
How many Trumps do we have in the electorate, who dislike people who are foreign, or have a different language, culture or religion?
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Do we really need to spend £55 million a day to be members of a club that sells us more than we sell to them? Will the Germans really say "Nein Tommy, you can no longer buy our Mercedes, Audis und BMWs"
What cooperation do we see from the EU? that we can't get from other non EU countries? What are the advantages of staying in? What influence do we really have?
What cooperation do we see from the EU? that we can't get from other non EU countries? What are the advantages of staying in? What influence do we really have?
I'm often amused by anti-Europeans who appear to believe (or to want other ignorant folk to believe) that European laws are made by a bunch of alien goblins, and not by elected representatives from the member countries (of which the UK is one of the largest) and delegates from their governments.
Being obliged to follow the rules of the club, while not being a member, and having no influence on those rules, like Norway, is not an ideal option.
Being obliged to follow the rules of the club, while not being a member, and having no influence on those rules, like Norway, is not an ideal option.
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So, can you list the people who make the laws and by which means they were elected?
The Norway option works for Norway as they export more to the EU than they import,so the EU is far more important to the Norwegian economy than it is to the UK. As I said, the EU needs the UK to buy its goods, the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it.. Outside of the EU the UK could, within reason dictate its own terms.
The Norway option works for Norway as they export more to the EU than they import,so the EU is far more important to the Norwegian economy than it is to the UK. As I said, the EU needs the UK to buy its goods, the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it.. Outside of the EU the UK could, within reason dictate its own terms.
We are not the same as Norway, having far wider trading scope than they do, and consequently being far more involved in world affairs.
Surprising as it may seem to some, we do trade with the wider world as well as the EU, and we still have to acommodate regulatory requirements of the US/Canada, Japan, Australia etc - and that doesnt seem to cause many problems.
The mantra frequently trotted out is that we would have far more influence on Europe if we kept our seat at the table. But the last 40-odd years has proved this is not the case. Whether our officials just toe the line I don't know, but I do know that the EU is sclerotic, unbalanced, inward-looking, protectionist and in decline. Do we really need to shackle ourselves to a group which can't control its currency and which can't even defend its own borders?
Free Trade - yes, but the cutural differences across Europe are too wide to make the project work.
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