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It's not much of a "deal " with Turkey though,,, For every Syrian returned to Turkey, the EU will take another Syrian off Turkey's hands.. Might as well let the bluggers stay then. (and still pay Turkey 600 million Euros)
 
jockscott said:
It's not much of a "deal " with Turkey though,,, For every Syrian returned to Turkey, the EU will take another Syrian off Turkey's hands.. Might as well let the bluggers stay then. (and still pay Turkey 600 million Euros)
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It ain't likely to happen anyway:
Left and right, ancient and modern, north and south are joined in rebellion against Mrs Merkel and the planned EU deal with Turkey.

It is not so much snagged on a nail, fraying at the edges, as already unravelled before the summit, little more than a pile of wool lying on the floor. To pick up the threads and knit it into anything serviceable will be a painstaking labour of necessity
But only hours after the deal was done the UN declared that the policy could be illegal.

Spain will now champion this view at this week's summit
That perhaps goes to the dark heart of the problem with this deal, with its promise of visa-free travel for Turks.

Those worried by a seeming endless flow of Syrian refugees are not reassured by the idea of swapping that reality for the possibility of open access to Turkey's 75 million people and dangling eventual EU membership in front of them.
Francois Hollande has proclaimed his opposition to the plan. France, like Austria, has suggested Turkey can never join.
But the British view is from a small island, far away from the action. The UK was never occupied by the Ottomans, as Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and much of the Balkans once were.

The Turks were never at the gates of London as they were at Vienna.

Mock if you like, but such history is bone deep.

The founders of a political Europe were not explicit that this was to be a geographically limited Christian club but some of their heirs are.
One piece of recent history above all threatens to derail any deal.

In 1974, the same year as Enoch Powell resigned from the Tory party because, he said, Edward Heath had taken the UK into the European Economic Community without a mandate to do so, Turkey invaded Cyprus, an island that had enjoyed both Ottoman and British rule before being fractiously shared between two fiercely nationalist communities.

The island is still partitioned but the EU member state Cyprus will block any dealunless Turkey honours an agreement to recognise the island as a single country- something that seems highly unlikely.

The EU was built to overcome deeply ingrained hostility between nations but breaking down some walls can reinforce others.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35819675
 
jockscott said:
Not quite Himmy. The EU are prepared to grant Turks the freedom to travel throughout Europe without visas in a few months. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/turkey-is-blackmailing-the-eu/
The EU, in its desperation, says that within a few months it will offer Turkey’s 77 million citizens the ability to travel to any of its 28 member states without the need for a visa.
I wonder how many will land on our shores ??
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jockscott said:
First of all, these Turks will have a visa from the EU, allowing the freedom to move through the EU (yep we're still part of the EU) Or do you think Merkel, Junkers etc, are just going to give them visas allowing only travel on mainland Europe? "We control our borders, (well in a fashion) " Hmmmm not where the EU comes in. (remember the bit about the EU giving the Turks a visa?)
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Care to back track and/or offer an apology, jock.
Or am I crediting you with more integrity than you deserve?
Under initial proposals, the EU had suggested ..... offer visa-free travel to Europe's Schengen states.
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UK is not in Schengen area!
And:
However, those proposals have since been watered down, ....... linking visa-free travel to 72 conditions to which Turkey must agree.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35838735

Have you got the sincerity and integrity to admit that you were wrong and were scaremongering?
 
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It must be true, the BBC said so.

These days Vladimir's mouthpiece Russia Today has more credibility. And their staff seem to molest fewer children
 
Another sane, rational contribution to the discussion from the resident toll. :sleep::sleep:
 
So you are saying that there haven't been any Paedophiles in the BBC and there could well be some there still?
 
jockscott said:
Not quite Himmy. The EU are prepared to grant Turks the freedom to travel throughout Europe without visas in a few months. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/turkey-is-blackmailing-the-eu/
The EU, in its desperation, says that within a few months it will offer Turkey’s 77 million citizens the ability to travel to any of its 28 member states without the need for a visa.
I wonder how many will land on our shores ??
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jockscott said:
First of all, these Turks will have a visa from the EU, allowing the freedom to move through the EU (yep we're still part of the EU) Or do you think Merkel, Junkers etc, are just going to give them visas allowing only travel on mainland Europe? "We control our borders, (well in a fashion) " Hmmmm not where the EU comes in. (remember the bit about the EU giving the Turks a visa?)
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Want to backtrack, jock? Offer an apology perhaps:
Turkey and EU reach deal on returns
Visa restrictions: Turkish nationals should have access to the Schengen passport-free zone by June. This will not apply to non-Schengen countries like Britain.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35840272
Have you got the integrity and sincerity to admit that you were wrong and misleading us? Scaremongering even?
 
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I also see that 24 hours after my comment jock does not have the decency to respond.
 
Himaginn said:
I also see that 24 hours after my comment jock does not have the decency to respond.
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I'll respond Himmy. How many of these Turks will end up at places like Calais and Dunkirk, trying to make their way over the channel? I ask again,, How many will end up on our shores?
 
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