CBI warns of Brexit Shock

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

jockscott said:
I have nothing against those wanting to stay in the EU,, it's just that when asked for reasons to remain in the EU, they become lost for words.

Are you sure you have never seen an answer?

Or is it just that the same question has been asked repeatedly and the answers ignored.

Why do you think that pointing out a downside to resigning from the EU isn't allowed?

What's your estimate of the loss of trade and profits resulting from resigning?

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

Examples where you have been shown benefits; yet you deny seeing them

JohnD said:
I'm too busy spotting lies by the anti-EU campaigners.

It's amusing that you think that being on the inside, with a strong voice and influencing the organisation, isn't a benefit.

Perhaps you're one of those Farage nutters who think the EU is run by evil alien goblins. It is of course run by representatives of the constituent countries, for the benefit of those constituents.

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
because, at the moment, UK is within the EU, and so is attractive and convenient to other EU countries; and to foreign countries wishing to deal with the EU; and to other non-EU countries whose Financial companies wish to set up a presence in the EU, especially if their employees are better at speaking English than French or German.

This will obviously cease if we resign from the EU.

Additionally, as the UK is a major member of the EU, it has a strong voice and influence in framing the rules, and can negotiate at the conference table for the benefit of UK interest.

This will obviously cease if we resign from the EU.

And a question for you:
Did you seriously not know that?

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
I want a strong union, of which the UK should be a major part.

Let me check what's inside your head:

The people who run the EU are
1) MEPs elected by the citizens of the constituent nations, and ministers and representatives from those nations,
or
2) Evil alien goblins

Which do you think it is?

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
I'm sure it is generally recognised that, for financial services in particular (which in the UK is bigger than our entire manufacturing industry), EU countries will only trade in a country that obeys EU regulations.

Countries outside the EU do not have a hand in deciding what those regulations should be, and they are not framed for the benefit of outsiders.

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
6) Our businesses depend on it

According to 71% of all members of the Confederation of British Influence (CBI), and 67 per cent of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), the EU has had an overall positive impact on their business.

The CBI estimates that the net benefit of EU membership is worth 4-5% of GDP to the UK, or £62bn-£78bn per year.

In 2014, the ONS reported that the EU, which is the world’s biggest economy, accounted for 44.6 per cent of all UK exports of goods and services, and 53.2 per cent of the UK’s imports of goods and services.

Meanwhile, the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) shows the overall contribution to our economy from exports to the EU was £187 billion last year, and that it could rise by almost half again to £277 billion a year by 2030.

It also claims access to European energy, transport and digital service markets, combined with new global trade deals, could add £58 billion to the UK economy every year by 2030, the equivalent to £1,000 per British citizen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...one-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
It's clear from jock's post that the European nations forming the EU need to continue working together for the benefit of all. If the UK, which is one of the larger European nations, isolates itself by leaving, it will not only be worse for RUK, but also for the rest of Europe.

Co-operation among equals is vital.

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
It's a funny thing that some anti-EU campaigners like to pretend that the EU was set up as a mighty empire by force of conquest, and held down by massive armies, like the Soviet Union and its satellites. This is completely wrong. It is obviously a dishonest debating trick.

One of the Trolls tried it earlier, but was unable to provide examples to match the Soviet forced collectivisation of farms, the man-made famine in Ukraine, the extermination of a generation of educated Poles, or the archipelago of gulags.

These extravagant and untrue allegations by anti-EU campaigners convince no-one.

Quite the reverse, it was initiated by men who had lived through the greatest and most destructive war the world has ever seen. The older of them had also lived through the second greatest war the world has ever seen. Their greatest goal was to make a recurrence impossible.

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JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
Of course an isolationist UK would lose trade if it exits the EU, no sensible person can deny that. In order to continue exporting into the EU, the UK will have to meet EU regulations. No sensible person can deny that. The EU regulations will be drawn up for the benefit of the EU members, and an isolated U K, no longer being one, will have no power in framing them. No sensible person can deny that.

It is particularly relevant to the financial services sector, which in the UK is bigger than our entire manufacturing sector. Currently, as one of the largest members of the EU and having the largest financial sector, we take a leading role in framing the rules, and have been able, for example, to block a transaction tax. If we leave, we will lose that. There are plenty of other European centres eager to take up the slack. As you know, Switzerland has recently had to agree to obey EU laws on banking and tax, despite not being a member and having no influence on them.

Britain and Europe are stronger together.

Himaginn · 21 Mar 2016

EFLImpudence said:
Himaginn said:

Then why do you keep posting ridiculing comments about the Remain argument, but are noticeably absent about the Brexit arguments?

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Because I dislike your superior, know-it-all attitude and absolute certainty based on no more than your personal view.

Despite your comment, I suspect the readers have made their own mind up about where your loyalties lie.

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So, now you are calling me a liar.
I can't make up my mind because NO ONE KNOWS.

You really are rather an obnoxious person, aren't you.

Have you the same attitude when chatting in the pub or does no one talk to you any more?

Yet you fail to question bare faced lies, distortion and misguided irrational material from the Brexiters.
Pull the other one!

Himaginn · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
jockscott said:

I have nothing against those wanting to stay in the EU,, it's just that when asked for reasons to remain in the EU, they become lost for words.

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Are you sure you have never seen an answer?

You know the only way jock can win an argument is to fantasize something which no-one has said, to argue against it.

He's busy now, fantasizing his next imaginary argument.

Trouble is, he still manages to lose the argument!

noseall · 21 Mar 2016

jockscott said:
Just the sort of thing Cameron wants published. Project Fear continues.

It was the CBI that announced it not DC. This organisation

jockscott · 21 Mar 2016

JohnD said:
jockscott said:

I have nothing against those wanting to stay in the EU,, it's just that when asked for reasons to remain in the EU, they become lost for words.

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Are you sure you have never seen an answer?

Not from you.

Why do you think that pointing out a downside to resigning from the EU isn't allowed?

Pointing out something which is pure speculation, is no answer.

What's your estimate of the loss of trade and profits resulting from exiting the EU

I don't have any estimates JohnD,, Do you have any? (PS corrected that last bit for you)

JohnD · 21 Mar 2016

If you deny seeing things that are right in front of your face, there is no hope for you.

As you say that any anti-EU arguments are pure speculation, you may as well stop making them. Especially your Project Fear of Foreigners ones.

It's good to know that you don't like to think of resigning from the EU, as resigning from the EU.

Doug99 · 21 Mar 2016

Who or what is the CBI?......oh yes......those business experts who said that the UK would suffer if we kept the £sterling rather than join the Euro

CBI warns of Brexit Shock

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