Designating posters as Tradesman or DIYer

bernardgreen · 20 Sep 2016

Aquaheat said:
Really? Pray do tell? Does it involve fairy liquid (other detergents are available) to find gas leaks? The rotters!

Do you recall the water ( condensate ) in the boiler cupboard when flue gases escaped into the house from the sampling port after a GasSafe Registered person left the cap off from the flue gas sample port.

Some of the "qualified professionals" on the forum thought it was just a mistake, a mistake that anyone could make. They expressed some irritation that it been mentioned.

Do they have negative equity ?

Himaginn · 20 Sep 2016

Himaginn said:
Why are there five Gas Safe registered people against this idea?

Dan Robinson said:
We're not necessarily. In fact, someone (me I believe) suggested during the beta stage of testing for the new forum format.

Then why the concerted effort, from Gas Safe people, to ridicule another poster that has suggested it?
Why the resort to abuse to argue against it?

MJGas said:
So what would your label be Bernard? Alternative thinking super ****?

Dan Robinson said:
Snigger

AGAS said:
BG are you bored

Aquaheat said:
And your actual point being?
You'd hate it though BG, would you really want everyone to see that the advice you give comes from no actual qualification?
Jon

Aquaheat said:
If they are looking for ransom, We can tell you We don't have money.

Dan Robinson said:
You should stop offering your opinions on many diy topics because you are a menace.

Why not put forward your arguments for, or those presented against, during the previous discussion instead of a torrent of abuse?

Dan Robinson · 20 Sep 2016

Why don't you go off and find the answers for your lite screen shot collection. You can go and have a cheeky tug over it later then.

Himaginn · 20 Sep 2016

Dan Robinson said:
Why don't you go off and find the answers for your lite screen shot collection. You can go and have a cheeky tug over it later then.

Discussion deserted you now, so the abuse returns.

I think you've posted in the wrong thread.

Foxtrot Oscar · 20 Sep 2016

bernardgreen said:
Do you recall the water ( condensate ) in the boiler cupboard when flue gases escaped into the house from the sampling port after a GasSafe Registered person left the cap off from the flue gas sample port.

Some of the "qualified professionals" on the forum thought it was just a mistake, a mistake that anyone could make. They expressed some irritation that it been mentioned.

Do they have negative equity ?

Do you want to further discuss your thoughts on your solid fuel flue that comes off the stove, travels downwards and then horizontally for four metres, expecting it to be signed off?
Errors such as missing a flue cap can happen, the gas fitter needs a slap but these things do happen... Your suggestion is wilfully dangerous and demonstrates how little understanding you actually have

jeds · 20 Sep 2016

Not a good idea in my opinion. If one posters designation indicates more professionalism than another then readers would be entitled to rely on that more than the other and that could carry some degree of liability. The advice and observations given here are informal and readers should make their own minds up about which to follow. If I see really poor advice that might have consequences then I will say so but generally I think it's better to try and make advice stand out by just being better and more informed. I'm sure most readers can spot the difference.

Foxtrot Oscar · 20 Sep 2016

Himaginn said:
Then why the concerted effort, from Gas Safe people, to ridicule another poster that has suggested it?
Why the resort to abuse to argue against it?

Why not put forward your arguments for, or those presented against, during the previous discussion instead of a torrent of abuse?

If folk want to know if the poster is a pro or an 'ammerchewer then that is fine by me.. I won't post in the open forum (Unless the suggestion is wilfully dangerous) 'till you and JohnD are gone.

blightymam · 20 Sep 2016

bernardgreen said:
I have the experience and knowledge gained from building an entire house as a DIY project. That included all the plumbing ( legal gas work ) electrics and drainage. The only contracted out work was the brick chimney and the fixing of battens and slates.

Do you ever get your work checked up on? Out of interest.

bernardgreen · 20 Sep 2016

Foxtrot Oscar said:
Do you want to further discuss your thoughts on your solid fuel flue that comes off the stove, travels downwards and then horizontally for four metres, expecting it to be signed off?

So far I have had a look through Part J of the Building Regs which seems to accept that horizontal flues are acceptable in fanned draught installations. It does not exclude vertical flue with a downward section

Obviously a fanned draught solid fuel stove will be a complex mechanical device since in the event of fan failure it will be necessary to safely contain the fuel in an enclosure without air for further combustion. Hence it will be very expensive and in any domestic situation far too expensive to be considered.

A comment from an architect is that retro fitting a log ( wood ) burning stove to a building is seldom without problems. Even when fitting to an existing and previously used chimney the 200 mm clearance can be difficult to achieve. ( As was the case with the liner installed last month for my new log burner in the existing stone chimney and new thatched roof ).

JohnD · 20 Sep 2016

Foxtrot Oscar said:
I won't post in the open forum

bernardgreen · 20 Sep 2016

blightymam said:
Do you ever get your work checked up on? Out of interest.

On the house we built. Yes, building regs passed. Gas carcass passed. Mortgage company accepted it. The spiral stair case was not fully compliant ( depth of tread at the centre was too small ) but as it was not the main stair case it did not have to be fully compliant.

This cottage. Still a work in progress, gas work was contracted out. The non standard design of heating and plumbing has not raised any concerns.

bernardgreen · 20 Sep 2016

Foxtrot Oscar said:
Errors such as missing a flue cap can happen, the gas fitter needs a slap but these things do happen

Typical reaction. At least no-one in the house required the service of a funeral director that time.

motorbiking · 20 Sep 2016

As a relative newb - its fairly obvious who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't. Given many "trades" don't actually have any proper accreditation, a pro, would be someone who does it for ££. That's not any evidence of expertise.

Also I think there could be legal ramifications for someone who is an accredited professional providing expert advice, potentially establishing a duty of care, over the internet which later turned out to be negligently wrong. Though it would be difficult to make stick, given the legal test, its still not something someone wants to defend without legal insurance. Not that I'm offering legal advice

Foxtrot Oscar · 20 Sep 2016

bernardgreen said:
So far I have had a look through Part J of the Building Regs which seems to accept that horizontal flues are acceptable in fanned draught installations. It does not exclude vertical flue with a downward section

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Obviously a fanned draught solid fuel stove will be a complex mechanical device since in the event of fan failure it will be necessary to safely contain the fuel in an enclosure without air for further combustion. Hence it will be very expensive and in any domestic situation far too expensive to be considered.

A comment from an architect is that retro fitting a log ( wood ) burning stove to a building is seldom without problems. Even when fitting to an existing and previously used chimney the 200 mm clearance can be difficult to achieve. ( As was the case with the liner installed last month for my new log burner in the existing stone chimney and new thatched roof ).

And the longest section of horizontal flue for a HETAS cert can be? and how many 90 degree bends can be used in any given flue?

bernardgreen · 20 Sep 2016

Foxtrot Oscar said:
And the longest section of horizontal flue for a HETAS cert can be?

HETAS advice was "no bird stopper to be fitted in the chimney pot"

Insurance company underwriters "a bird stopper is recommended"

The HETAS cert was issued as "no bird stopper fitted" and then the stopper was fitted. The insurance company approve this.

Reason is that without a bird stopper birds will attempt to build a nest and enough nest material can fall down into the flue and when a fire is lit create a fire in the lining. If that fire occurs close to the top of the liner then embers could fall onto the thatch and ignite it. Enough nest material to be a serious hazard can get into the flue in a few hours when the birds are determined to get a nest built. Hence the without a bird stopper the flue would have to be swept or inspected each time the fire was to be lit.

Designating posters as Tradesman or DIYer

blightymam

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