Door lining sets - a conundrum

As you say this is a DIY Forum, not a Forum designed to give information on how to circumnavigate laid down legislation on how to bodge works to your advantage
Both your electrical problem and fire doors question need addressing by the relevant competent installers and certificated for Insurance Purposes
If this is not the answer you want to hear so be it
 
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Bosswhite said:
As you say this is a DIY Forum, not a Forum designed to give information on how to circumnavigate laid down legislation on how to bodge works to your advantage
Both your electrical problem and fire doors question need addressing by the relevant competent installers and certificated for Insurance Purposes
If this is not the answer you want to hear so be it
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Don't spin and twist what I'm saying and create pointless dramas. Your on block with ban all sheds.
 
HawkEye244 said:
Does replacing an internal door in a ground floor flat have to be fire rated?
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If the flat is a self contained unit, with a fire door as the exit on to the communal stairway, then it's only that exit door that needs to be fire rated. If you are just replacing a normal internal door in the flat, then you can replace like for like.

Well spotted on the anomaly of having an intumescent strip in a wooden door frame. The strip will expand and seal the door gap in the event of a fire, and stop the smoke getting through (immediate danger issue), but an FD30 fire door will only hold the fire back for 30 minutes, which'll be about the same time that the fire will take to eat though the door frame.
 
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Hi, I haven't been on this site for years, bit busy. Trying to help because I have a flat that needs an FD30 door and I see that they will be fitting an internal one. No mention was made about the lining though. If an external door was required then Building Control would need to be informed.Costs money. In this case they are not required because its internal. It is possible to fit a type of intumescent strip to the lining without a need for a groove. Screwfix sell it. When I spoke to BC about the fitting of the door and I was better informed than they were. Depends who you speak to.
 
Most blocks of flats are controlled by somebody but not the tenant so fitting the correct door, FD30 needs to be shown as such.
 
An internal door is the sole province of the flat owner; you actually need to inform the freeholder if anything structural is being done, and that's not always the managing agent. A front door leading on to the communal hallway would require notification, but not an internal one; as this one is.

Oddly enough, you can fit a new front door, but it's only if you change the door lining as well, that you need to inform building control. Not sure if the double glazers do though.
 
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Thanks doggit, great advice mate and very well articulated!

Wrecked, as I read your post it reminded me that another option (I could be wrong) is to fit the strip within the door itself (centered groove all the way around) except the bottom of course. I didn't know about a strip to the lining with a groove! I will check it out, thanks mate.

The only real reason I'm changing the door is to give the room a lift but I think a really good prep and new gloss of paint on the existing door + a newly fitted latch, lock and handle would have it looking fresh and that's really all I'm wanting to achieve with this round of DIY. Definitely will be more confident if I do change my mind again.

Help much appreciated chaps.

p.s. ''It is possible to fit a type of intumescent strip to the lining without a need for a groove. Screwfix sell it.'' I couldn't find it on screwfix so if you have a link you could post here I'll have a look :)
 
Lets clarify this, is it the front door to the flat, or just an internal door Hawkeye.
 
Dogs, internal to a bedroom. The same room with lighting issues I'm experiencing currently haha
 
If it's an internal door, then it doesn't require an intumescent strip, so you can relax.
 
eh?

Are you sure?

Internal fire door linings come with a groove for the strip.

The rating of a door (e.g. FD30) only applies if it is installed assembled as tested, so you would need a door and lining that had been approved without the strips.
 
a) existing door is 44mm and so the door stop is fitted to this
b) FD's are heavy bstards
c) FD wouldn't perform properly due to the un-snug fitting into the current lining
d) normal door is 32mm meaning the door stop would need to be adjusted (more decorating work).
e) normal 32mm would have less sound proofing compared to the current door which is 44mm.

So this is what's put me off doing it.

John, he's confirming an FD is not required to this particular opening. The intumescent strip can be fitted to the door OR the frame.

This is my comprehension right or wrong.
 
I did have an Approved Document or CoP relating to fire doors and the protected egress, but I can't find it now.

My recollection is that the doors between habitable rooms and the passage leading to the front door in flats have to be FD and there are screeds about the strips and how to detail them round bolts, latches and hinges.

My house has 44mm FD30s. Depending on age they are allowed either the strips, or 25mm stops.

It is hard to groove an exiting lining as you can't get a router into the corners, but careful chisel work would do it. Doors are easier once you take them off. Lift-off hinges make it easier when decorating or shooting in. The brush-pile smoke stuff also draughtproofs.

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still can't find the doc with diagrams of protected routes.

some stuff on p77 of this one
http://firecode.org.uk/Code_of_Practice_hardware_for_fire_and_escape_doors.pdf
 
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If you're fitting a fire door, then the door itself must have an FD30 rating, normally found on the top of the door; and you should also fit an intumescent strip that can be fitted to either the. door, or the door frame. But you only need fire doors on the main entrance door to a flat, not on any of the internal ones. You only need fire doors internally, when you do a lot conversion on a 2 storey property.

In a flat, having a fire door on the front door, protects your flat in the event of a fire outside, and prevents the fires spreading to other flats if it's in your property. In a flat, it's assumed that you'll just get the hell out of there if there's a fire, so you don't need extended protection.
 
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