Landlord Gas Safety Certificate

SirGalahad · 21 Sep 2017

I have an annual service contract with a local company and they have booked the Safety check 8 days after it expires in october but they say that's not a problem as I have it booked in like an MOT.

Is this correct. I have used them for the last 4 years.

Dan Robinson · 21 Sep 2017

It's not correct, but who's going to know?

SirGalahad · 21 Sep 2017

Dan Robinson said:
It's not correct, but who's going to know?

I just checked my previous certificates and they ran on 12th and the last years was done on the 4th.

London Mike 49 · 21 Sep 2017

As long as the certificate covers you for the 'lost' period I shouldn't think it will be a problem after all you have your boiler serviced yearly so there is unlikely to be a failure in that period.
But if you are concerned for the future then raise it with the service provider and come to a acceptable agreement.

Mike

FiremanT · 21 Sep 2017

LM49 - are you the same as mike From London? Either way, you sound the same (giving wrong advice), and you cannot backdate the cert. And,yes, it is like an MOT, insofar as there is no "grace" period. You cannot use a car on the PH without one, unless you are driving directly to a booked MOT. The LLGSC must be issued within one year of the previous one.

But as Dan says, who will know or care otherwise, unless there is an incident or complaint

Brigade77 · 21 Sep 2017

I'm puzzled as to why your service contractor already knows it cannot make the safety check until 8 days after it expires?

FiremanT · 21 Sep 2017

Dork Lard said:
I'm puzzled as to why your service contractor already knows it cannot make the safety check until 8 days after it expires?

Are you easily puzzled?

Probably something to with Diary and other appointments

AGAS · 21 Sep 2017

London Mike 49 said:
As long as the certificate covers you for the 'lost' period I shouldn't think it will be a problem after all you have your boiler serviced yearly so there is unlikely to be a failure in that period.

so what happens in between that time e.g something happens or boiler warrantee

, stop guessing dear mike

Doggit · 21 Sep 2017

Hell, I've gone a month between renewing the safety certificate, and as Dan says, so what, but as FiremanT points out, it's only no problem as long as nothing goes wrong. If there was a fault with the boiler, then you'd get prosecuted, but until that happens you're okay.

Most tenants don't bother to check when the certificates due, but I've come across a couple that do, and they can cause trouble if they are annoyed with you, as you can't evict a tenant out of revenge nowadays.

But the Service company is putting you in a difficult situation, because the boiler is still being used, and so if anything happens, you're liable, not them. Booking it in, doesn't mean that you're legal, so if they can't bring forward the date, change them.

Dan Robinson · 21 Sep 2017

Doggit said:
But the Service company is putting you in a difficult situation, because the boiler is still being used, and so if anything happens, you're liable, not them. Booking it in, doesn't mean that you're legal, so if they can't bring forward the date, change them.

Sorry to correct you again, but the service company hasn't put anyone in any position.

The expiry date is the expiry date. It is up to the agent /landlord to organise the inspection. As a member here once had for a signature "lack of preparation on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine".

Doggit · 21 Sep 2017

No need to apologise Dan, unlike some on here, I do not consider myself infalible by any stretch of the imagination.

Dan Robinson · 22 Sep 2017

Doggit said:
No need to apologise Dan, unlike some on here, I do not consider myself infalible by any stretch of the imagination.

Just to show you some of the booloocks we deal with outside of the hands on stuff :

Hi Dan

Please could you send me the certificate for 34a xxxxxxx street. The estate agents are on my case as they don’t have a copy and are telling me I will need to get another one done if i don’t have it by tomorrow.
Many thanks

All the best
Xxxxxxxx

Inspection done last week.

Hi there,

Please find attached the Cp12 for xxxxxxxx street. It was delayed because we had an issue producing PDF files on the new office PC.

For future reference though, and the estate agents should know this anyway seeing as it is their job and are charging you a percentage)…. The requirement under the Gas Safety (installation and use) regulations 1998, is for the certificate to be produced within 28 days of inspection. Any other requirements they may wish to impose are purely for their own ego. J. The existing certificate was valid until the 21st.

See excerpt from the regulations below :

Sorry…. I am up to my limit with estate agents this month imposing imaginary rules and regulations on customers. One idiot had Max on site at 7pm drilling out safety discharge pipes to put sleeving around them because he thought it was a regulation. Poor Max didn’t want to upset the project and went out of his way to sort things out when in actual fact he should have just gone home and left the aftermath to me.

Hope all else is well.

Kind Regards

Dan Robinson

Jennings Heating Ltd

Thanks v much for sending Dan. I will let estate agent know re the 28 days!!

Many thanks again

Xxxxxxx

Long standing customers... The lady I deal with in these emails is The very sweet PA to the customer obviously having the squeeze put on her by the agent so they can get their in house warnkers (who will give a kick back) in the door.

Which would be amusing, as it is a far from conventional installation that has already put me up against that fookwit that runs Pimlico charlatans more than once because of "needy tenants".

Doggit · 22 Sep 2017

But the Estate agents may be working from this interpretation of the tenancy requirements.

If a landlord does not have a valid gas safety certificate, or does not do works required, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) has the power to prosecute. Failure to follow gas safety requirements is a criminal offence and can be punished by fines or imprisonment.

In addition, for new tenancies starting on or after 1st October 2015, landlords who fail to provide a gas safety certificate to the tenants will not be able to serve a section 21 notice on the tenant.

But I can again see why your G&Ts are mixed in a pint glass.

Dan Robinson · 22 Sep 2017

Indeed, however.... This landlord (who is sound as a pound too) and his PA are well within the law.

There is no alternative interpretation they can use. They have the current certificate (as do we) which was valid until yesterday. Plus the knowledge that the inspection was carried out nearly 2 weeks early.

There is no reason to put any pressure on unless they were trying what I suggested above. Can't speak for the world is outside the home counties ; but this happens all the time. It's bloody annoying when you are someone like me who likes to spend my time getting schit sorted and working rather than dealing with the bullschit paperwork invented by those who have to justify their jobs/existence somehow.

You should see my stock method statement for these companies.... Full of Easter eggs to see who's actually reading them

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