Downstairs lighting circuit MCB randomly tripping since electrician's visit last week.

He was a little vague about pricing, maybe it's too small a job for him to come back and do (he is not all that local).
Fair enough. As I said before, the "too small a job" issue may be a bit of a problem for you - it may cause many electricians to not really want the job and/or (not unreasonably) having to charge much more than you would like in order to make it worth your while. It's a pity that he could not do it whilst he was there (** but see below).
The problem with personal recommendations is it only really makes sense if someone has had a lot of electrical work done otherwise it's a single review. It makes more sense to take your chances on 20 check-a-trade reviews for one guy than on 20 friends' recommendations for 20 different guys.
It's very difficult with electrical work. Whilst what you say is sort-of-true, as has been said, the problem with all these 'recommendation websites' etc. is that they are so easily abused/manipulated that they can very easily mislead. With work that can be, at least to some extent, judged by the general public (decorating, gardening, some building etc.) one can ask to see work that they have previously done - but, as I said before, other than for superficial aspects, it's generally not possible for an 'ordinary person' to judge the quality/safety of electrical work.

The job should be so simple and straightforward that you probably don't (shouldn't!) need to worry too much about who does it - i.e. only the most incompetent of electricians would be able to do much wrong when replacing an RCD.

** However, it has occurred to me that there is an aspect of this which we haven't considered, and which might make the job a little more 'complicated' ...

... is this RCD in your Consumer Unit? If not (i.e. if it is a 'standalone' device), is it connected directly to your electricity meter? If it is, then it would be necessary to get your electricity supplier (actually 'Distribution Network Operator', "DNO" to remove their service fuse before the work could be done and then replace the fuse after it had been done. If the RCD is not in your CU, then a photo of it and its surroundings (i.e. what it's connected to) would be helpful for us to see.

Kind Regards, John
 
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... is this RCD in your Consumer Unit? If not (i.e. if it is a 'standalone' device), is it connected directly to your electricity meter? If it is, then it would be necessary to get your electricity supplier (actually 'Distribution Network Operator', "DNO" to remove their service fuse before the work could be done and then replace the fuse after it had been done. If the RCD is not in your CU, then a photo of it and its surroundings (i.e. what it's connected to) would be helpful for us to see.

Hi John,

The RCD is not in the consumer unit, it's standalone connected directly to the meter. The electrician did say something about not being allowed to remove the fuse but I didn't appreciate what he meant at the time. I guess I need to contact the supplier direct then?

Chris
 
The RCD is not in the consumer unit, it's standalone connected directly to the meter. The electrician did say something about not being allowed to remove the fuse but I didn't appreciate what he meant at the time. I guess I need to contact the supplier direct then?
Ah - it's good I thought of that then!

You need to first identify an electrician and determine when he/she wants to do the job. Either the electrician of yourself then need to contact the DNO to arrange when the fuse needs to be removed and replaced. Timing is obviously essential if you are to avoid being without electricity for a long period of time!

Some 'electricians' might remove/replace the service fuse themselves, thereby making things much 'simpler' - but they are, generally, the types of 'electricians' that you should avoid like the plague. I have some vague recollections that, in some parts of the country, some electricians may have been trained and authorised to do this, but I may have dreamed that, and it is certainly not the usual situation.

Would it be possible for you to provide us with a photo of the RCD or, failing that, tell us what is written on it "Name, rank and number etc.!)_?

Kind Regards, John
 
Considere fitting an isolator between the meter and the RCD.

Your electrician fits the isolator to the board close to the meter.

DNO chap arrives and pulls their fuse.

The tails from the meter are then removed from the RCD and put into the isolator by your electrican while the DNO drink a cup of tea with chocolate biscuits

Then the DNO chap can put their fuse back in.

With the new isolator turned OFF the output from the new isolator can with care be connected to the input of the RCD. ( if the DNO drink slowly then that could be done before the DNO put the fuse back in )
 
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Another option is to request that your energy supplier/meter operator adds an isolator switch.
They are required for new installs so there's an argument to say they should have on existing ones too. You might need to pay up to 100 pounds for the privilege though.

Edit: posts crossed with Bernard, similar suggestion.
 
Considere fitting an isolator between the meter and the RCD.
Indeed. That is an option.
Your electrician fits the isolator to the board close to the meter. DNO chap arrives and pulls their fuse. The tails from the meter are then removed from the RCD and put into the isolator by your electrican while the DNO drink a cup of tea with chocolate biscuits Then the DNO chap can put their fuse back in.
I'm not so sure about that. DNOs do not usually do anything downstream of the meter, so I don't think they would install an isolator. Isolators are usually installed by suppliers/meter operatives and, when they do, they usually connect them to the meter (rather than leave that to an electrician), after which the electrician can do what he likes downstream of the isolator by switching it off.

Kind Regards, John
 
They are required for new installs so there's an argument to say they should have on existing ones too. You might need to pay up to 100 pounds for the privilege though.
I didn't have to pay anything (and, like the OP, the only reason I wanted it was in case I ever had to replace the 'up-front' TD RCDs in my TT installation - for all other work on the installation, those RCDs acted as adequate isolators).

Interesting, the late-lamented westie, who used to be our 'resident DNO man' seemed to be very much against isolators, which he regarded as an unnecessary additional 'point of potential failure', which he said quite often did fail (presumably due to loose connections).

My daughter has an 'isolator' built into her meter, which seems like quite a sensible idea.

Kind Regards, John
 
I think that's what he suggested the electrician would do
He did. On reflection, I suppose it could be done the way that bernard suggested. I suppose that it's just that I've never seen it done that way. I've only ever seen isolators fitted by the supplier/meter people - in which case they pull the fuse, connect the mater tails to the isolator and then replace the fuse. If, as usual, the meter tails went to a CU, they will usually reconnect them to the load side of the isolator. In more complicated situations, they might leave the electrician do do whatever he/she wants/needs to do on the load side.
Me neither but only due to a chick up on their behalf
Mine was intentionally done free of charge (including supply of the isolator), but it was at the time of a 'meter change', so they did not have to come specifically to do it.

Kind Regards, John
 
My daughter has an 'isolator' built into her meter, which seems like quite a sensible idea.
Mine has too.

3 observations:

  1. It is a single pole 'isolator'
  2. N is a live conductor
  3. The EAWR (which apply to electricians) have things to say about working near live conductors
 
Mine has too. 3 observations: It is a single pole 'isolator'
That may be true of my daughter's too - I confess that I haven';t looked carefully enough to determine that.
N is a live conductor ... The EAWR (which apply to electricians) have things to say about working near live conductors
Maybe the authors of EAWR need to talk to those of BS7671, since it would be nice to have some consistency. As you will be aware, BS7671 seems to be happy with single-pole isolation in TN installations.

Kind Regards, John
 

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