Connecting Electric cooker

jb1468 · 23 Feb 2018

Never thought I would be posting this, but I cannot see how to connect the cable to the cooker. I have done it many times before, albeit several years ago and it was always as simple as wiring a plug, 3 wires into the right box, tighten screws and away you go.

This one has me baffled. I cant see where to put the live/neutral/earth cables. Anyone shed any light - I'm sure its simple. Instructions not helping

EFLImpudence · 23 Feb 2018

The 2 Ls and 3 Ns are joined by the copper links.

Connect the wires to one of the Ls, one of the Ns (the middle one) and the Earth. Not the ones with the black dots.

jb1468 · 23 Feb 2018

EFLImpudence said:
The 2 Ls and 3 Ns are joined by the copper links.

Connect the wires to one of the Ls, one of the Ns (the middle one) and the Earth. Not the ones with the black dots.

Thanks, I know what terminals to connect them to....my problem, believe it or not is I cant see anywhere to physically put the wire. usually it's clear - i.e. a hole to push the wire into and the screw tightens into it, but I can see no where to put the wire.....Other fittings I've used have been very clear where to push the wire into.

EFLImpudence · 23 Feb 2018

Oh, right.

Best to fit ring crimps on the wires (properly) then attach with the screws.

jb1468 · 23 Feb 2018

EFLImpudence said:
Oh, right.

Best to fit ring crimps on the wires (properly) then attach with the screws.

Thanks. If that's my only options then its time for an Electrician. I don't have the tools to do that properly. Can't believe a cooker is designed to make it this difficult to connect the cable

ericmark · 23 Feb 2018

If caught without crimps, I careful cut insulation about an inch from end and gently slide it part off not whole way the tease a screwdriver into the cores to part them so making a ring. But crimp is the best way. Reason for way terminals are set out some parts of France have split phase and this allows it to be used if required on split phase supply.

ban-all-sheds · 23 Feb 2018

jb1468 said:
Can't believe a cooker is designed to make it this difficult to connect the cable

It's not - it is designed to have the cable connected soundly and properly.

If that means that it needs someone with the appropriate tools to be engaged, then so be it.

sparkwright · 24 Feb 2018

I don't think there is a desperate need for ring terminals.

On the top right of each terminal, that little 'nib' MAY well prevent a ring terminal fitting.

I think most people would just push the wire end in on the left side of the terminal, upto that nib. The wire would go under the screw head.

(If using flex, which I doubt as it looks a powerful cooker, double the wire end over.)

Though I can see the advantages of ring terminals, in the real world it seems to me they are seldom used on cookers IMO.

JohnW2 · 24 Feb 2018

sparkwright said:
I think most people would just push the wire end in on the left side of the terminal, upto that nib. The wire would go under the screw head. .... (If using flex, which I doubt as it looks a powerful cooker, double the wire end over.) .... Though I can see the advantages of ring terminals, in the real world it seems to me they are seldom used on cookers IMO.

Quite so. I doubt that many cookers are installed by electricians, and I equally doubt that many people other than electricians would use ring terminals. Indeed, if anyone other than an experienced electrician did crimp on ring terminals, I might be more concerned than if they hadn't used ring terminals at all.

Kind Regards, John

EFLImpudence · 24 Feb 2018

I thought my replies had the desired response from someone who couldn't figure out what to do.

JohnW2 · 24 Feb 2018

EFLImpudence said:
I thought my replies had the desired response from someone who couldn't figure out what to do.

If by "desired response" you mean a decision on the part of the OP to get (and pay) an electrician to connect the cooker, you're right - but I doubt that many people in that position would be very happy to (or would) invoke that additional expense.

Kind Regards, John

EFLImpudence · 24 Feb 2018

JohnW2 said:
but I doubt that many people in that position would be very happy to (or would) invoke that additional expense.

Au contraire. I would think the vast majority do.

JohnW2 · 24 Feb 2018

EFLImpudence said:
Au contraire. I would think the vast majority do.

Interesting.

Other than in the context of a 'kitchen re-do' which might well (or should!) involve an electrician doing other things, I would have thought that most people acquiring a new electric cooker would either DIY its connection or rely on the supplier's 'installation service' (which, as far as I can make out, would not normally involve an electrician) ... but maybe I'm wrong.

As a matter of interest, what do you think an electrician would charge for being called out to connect a cable to a cooker?

Kind Regards, John

EFLImpudence · 24 Feb 2018

JohnW2 said:
I would have thought that most people acquiring a new electric cooker would either DIY its connection or rely on the supplier's 'installation service'

Exactly - and I suspect the vast majority would opt for the latter, and relatively few for the former.

(which, as far as I can make out, would not normally involve an electrician)

Not sure of the point you are making - or - so what?

As a matter of interest, what do you think an electrician would charge for being called out to connect a cable to a cooker?

Likely less than the supplier's 'installation service' - with the advantage that it would actually be done - and I used to check the circuit.

JohnW2 · 24 Feb 2018

EFLImpudence said:
Exactly - and I suspect the vast majority would opt for the latter, and relatively few for the former.

Maybe you're right. I suppose that neither I nor many of the people I know would count as 'ordinary people' in this respect, so the fact that I/we would not dream of getting someone else to connect a cable to a cooker is probably not relevant.

EFLImpudence said:
Not sure of the point you are making - or - so what?

I said that I might be concerned if anyone other than an 'experienced electrician' crimped ring terminals onto my cooker cable, so that would apply to someone who was provided at the "supplier's 'installation service' " if he/she was not an 'experienced electrician'.

EFLImpudence said:
Likely less than the supplier's 'installation service' - with the advantage that it would actually be done - and I used to check the circuit.

Fair enough - but what I asked was 'how much?'.

Kind Regards, John

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