Request for help in removing ceiling roses & consealling connectors when fitting room spots

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I'm fitting spots in all the rooms and after installing them, have tested them by wiring into the ceiling rose switch and neutral side.

The problem now is that I want to remove the ceiling rose. I've done so in the first room by disconnecting the rose and putting them into 4 seperate terminal connectors but the problem is how to recess the joints into the ceiling?

Each rose seems to have an average of 3 looms coming down through a hole above the rose in the wooden reinforcement which the rose fixes to. My problem is that I cannot push the cable with connectors into the ceiling, even after scrapping some of the plaster away. And I cannot drill out the cable hole in case I damage a loom.

What do the professionals do please?
 
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Ban is asking why you want to fit your room with lights that are not good at producing an overall light, hence the need for many fittings.
 
Ban is asking why you want to fit your room with lights that are not good at producing an overall light, hence the need for many fittings.
Apologies, I understand now. The spots I'm fitting have a wide spread and use cool light. They also light the room evenly and brighter.
 
Apologies, I understand now. The spots I'm fitting have a wide spread and use cool light. They also light the room evenly and brighter.
Have you worked out how many you'll need in each room, and considered whether that number shows that they don't actually light the room evenly? Ever wondered why they are called spotlights? Anyway - you'll find out how popular the look is when you come to sell.

As for the connectors...

Actually it's more like these - I was going to use terminal blocks and break them off individually and then try to push them up into the plaster but it's really tight.
They need to be in an enclosure, not just stuffed into the ceiling, and you need cable restraints to avoid strain on the joints. And if the ceiling void is "inaccessible" you should not use screwed connections. All requirements met by, for example, the Ashley J804, or a Wagobox.


I was then going to use a blank to cover them.
Screwed to what?
 
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My problem is that I cannot push the cable with connectors into the ceiling, even after scrapping some of the plaster away.
You'll have to remove the pieces of wood the roses are screwed to, make the hole large enough to push the junction box through, then make good the hole.

How are you running the cables from light to light?
 
You'll have to remove the pieces of wood the roses are screwed to, make the hole large enough to push the junction box through, then make good the hole.

How are you running the cables from light to light?
It's actually in an apartment block and there is around 3" gap above the ceiling so it was relatively easy to fish the cable from unit to unit.

I was hoping for an alternative method rather than removing the wood the roses are screwed to as this will involve cutting out a section of the ceiling and then replastering, but I'm starting to think that this is the only way.
 
It's actually in an apartment block

That could be a problem. In many flats the ceiling is part of the building fire protection system, and therefore it is not permissable to make holes in the ceilings. You should check with your landlord/deeds as to what is permissable.

You could end up in serious trouble if you adversly effect the fire integrity of the building.
 
I'd probably (If it was me), ask one of many electrician friends I have. That doesn't help you though. Sorry I'll keep quiet from now. Hope you get an answer without BAS and mw bickerring.
 
Making holes in the ceiling might also create noise transmission problems.

Stephen, what type of lights have you installed? Is the flat rented, or do you own it? If the latter, is there a lease with Ts'n'Cs about what you may do etc?
 

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