Gas cooker installed incorrectly

Mattrm · 9 Jan 2019

I had a gas cooker installed on November 2018 by the manufacturer. Today when a gas engineer arrived to perform annual gas safety inspection he informed me it was installed incorrectly and there was 3 regulation violations. I showed him the certificates and he called the installation company who preceded to argue with him then put him on hold for over 10 minutes.

He advised I call them back to have the cooker reinstalled however my concern is if they will argue with a licensed gas engineer from a reputable company attending on behalf of the council what chance do I have. He also advised against leaving the installation The way it is as it becomes my responsibility now he has informed me and technically the landlord has a right to request the supply be capped off if they wish to do so.

He noted the following faults
1. The bayonet connection needs to be a certain height from the ground
2. The pipe work should be attached to the wall not the kitchen countertop
3. The mains plug and flex should not be sticking out the top of the cooker and into a counter top socket but wired to a electric point behind the cooker

footprints · 9 Jan 2019

I am no longer registered since retiring, but that is a poor job.

There may be a height regulation that the pipe does not conform to but basically as long as proper fittings are used the pipe hangs in a U without undue strain on the ends and away from anything that could damage it (and does not leak!

) it ain't too bad.

Certainly not ideal to screw the pipe to a cabinet just too lazy to rawlplug the wall I expect!

I would say it is up to you or the landlord to provide a point in the correct place unless they ran the electric supply for you, I can understand them fitting it to the only point available to get you a working cooker, but should have advised you to get it rectified asap in my view. to prevent damage to the cable.

Has it got a safety chain or stability bracket fitted?

I would email them advising that if they do not rectify the installation you will ask Gas Safe to inspect it.

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/complaints-report-an-illegal/

Good luck with it.

Gasguru · 9 Jan 2019

Post pictures...but they all sound minor infringements.

dilalio · 9 Jan 2019

Gasguru said:
Post pictures...but they all sound minor infringements.

+1

Mattrm · 9 Jan 2019

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John D v2.0 · 9 Jan 2019

Regarding the electrics the flex for the cooker is in an inappropriate location as it's easily damaged by heat, this area shouldn't have any combustibles. Never mind the regs, any lay person with common sense can see that's wrong.
Not part of your question, but that 2 pin plug is not suitable to use directly in a socket, this is for two reasons. First is not mechanically compatible therefore may damage the socket or have a bad connection, and second there is no fuse in the plug so the only protection is the 32A circuit breaker which is too high.
You need to get a shaver adaptor which has a 3A fuse or similar.

ianmcd · 9 Jan 2019

John D v2.0 said:
Regarding the electrics the flex for the cooker is in an inappropriate location as it's easily damaged by heat, this area shouldn't have any combustibles. Never mind the regs, any lay person with common sense can see that's wrong.
Not part of your question, but that 2 pin plug is not suitable to use directly in a socket, this is for two reasons. First is not mechanically compatible therefore may damage the socket or have a bad connection, and second there is no fuse in the plug so the only protection is the 32A circuit breaker which is too high.
You need to get a shaver adaptor which has a 3A fuse or similar.

blind leading the blind on this one

John D v2.0 · 9 Jan 2019

ianmcd said:
blind leading the blind on this one

If you think a 32A mcb it's suitable for that toothbrush charger then you're the blind one

ianmcd · 9 Jan 2019

John D v2.0 said:
If you think a 32A mcb it's suitable for that toothbrush charger then you're the blind one

no lad I am a gas engineer, not a tooth brush engineer, and that is a total mess, you stick with what you do and leave the important stuff to the big boys

John D v2.0 · 9 Jan 2019

ianmcd said:
no lad I am a gas engineer, not a tooth brush engineer, and that is a total mess, you stick with what you do and leave the important stuff to the big boys

Tooth brush engineer?

you'll get there one day I'm sure!

Gasguru · 9 Jan 2019

You've had an idiot turn up to do the landlord gas safety record...probably new into the trade or searching for additional work. Nothing really wrong there but he could choose to notify the landlord if he so wishes.
The glass lid will protect the cable which will be high temp rated anyway. Until there's visible damage to work tops/cables there's no issue. Most installations are far worse than that.
Does the cooker have a chain holding the cooker tight to the wall? Anyway this is the landlords issue.

Mattrm · 9 Jan 2019

ianmcd said:
no lad I am a gas engineer, not a tooth brush engineer, and that is a total mess, you stick with what you do and leave the important stuff to the big boys

So the cooker installation is a mess in your opinion?

As for the “toothbrush charger” it isn’t even a toothbrush charger it’s a battery charger bought in Europe

Astra99 · 9 Jan 2019

If it is a European charger, you need this type of adapter

A search on Amazon or Ebay or several other sites such as cpc.farnell.com will enable you to purchase this part. The common UK shaver adapter, which, although it will work, does not have the correct size holes for the euro 2-pin plug, and , unlike the charger adapter, does not require a tool to remove (the EU plug from) the adapter.

ianmcd · 9 Jan 2019

no I never sad that your cooker installation was a mess, you have had a qualified gas engineer who has seen the installation , so his or hers opinion beats any online opinion, I was merely saying that what @John D v2.0 said is total shoite

FiremanT · 9 Jan 2019

The job is not great, but:

Manufacturers do not normally install cookers - who actually did it?

There appears to be no stability device, but there may be a horrible "wrap around the foot" type, or a bracket type at low level.

The wire is poor, but not actually illegal, with regard to gas regs. It is a common method of connection. If there is no socket or connection behind the cooker, what are the options?

Screwing the bracket to the cabinet is lazy, and a bit weird, but I know not of any reg forbidding it, but the wording may include the word "wall", which may make the cabinet fix technically wrong. Or not.

The elbow shoud be 740mm above the floor level (or is it 750?. Who actually cares, as long as the hose is not strained or touching the floor or hot surface?). it does not look too far off. If |I was fitting a new pouint, it would be around 740mm. If an existing point was, say, 700mm, I would not be bothering to reposition, TBH.

All in all, it is not a sparkling install, but the Council guy is being a bit of a Dick. It is easy to spend all day nit picking, when you have no responsibility for rectification. Everything is NCS at the most.

The way it is as it becomes my responsibility now he has informed me and technically the landlord has a right to request the supply be capped off if they wish to do so.

Absolute nonsense. HE is the RGI. If there was a case for disconnection, he would (should) be making it. There is a process laid down, and it does not involve landlords requesting the gas be cut off. Did he leave anything in writing? If so, post it up. I susect he did not.

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