Buying a house - Electrical survey - a few Q's

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So the House we are looking to buy supposedly had a new CU fitted in 2017 and as much as I took a look at it when we viewed it I don't remember much about it other than it was metal cased and shine white!

The Solicitor obviously asked for installation Cert as it was done so recently but this hasn't been forthcoming as its a probate sale and the person selling it probably has no idea when the paperwork for it is. However what I have just received is is a fresh Electrical Installation Condition report done last week.

I have a few Q's about it.

I don't remember seeing a RCD at the end of the row of MCB's so i assumed it didn't have them. The Report lists each circuit as being protected by 61009 type B's. Am I right in thinking these are RCBO's?

On the Observations section most stuff is pretty self explanatory and easy to fix like no water and gas bonding, no RCD protection on the garage supply which given it also was listed that the garage supply is pretty rubbish and could do with retiring isn't a surprise.

Edit - The Garage not being RCD protected but has a 60898 type b which looks like a normal MCB. Is there any reason why I couldn't just swap it out for a RCBO like the other ones? Or would it be better to rewire the garage as its knackered anyway fitting a separate RCD protected CU in the garage?

It also mentioned the Main Earth Terminal supply is only 10mm and should be 16mm. Is this something you'd expect to find on many older houses and it's just the regs have changed to make it a larger cable now?

Lastly one of the Circuits(upstairs sockets I think) had a higher than expected Rn reading(1.61) and lists potential loose connection socket point leading to potential for circuit overloading. The house is in dire need to fairly significant remodelling anyway so i'd be surprised if every single socket face didn't come off the wall at some point and the connections will be checked. Am I right in thinking this test is nothing more than a basic continuity test end to end?

I do have a fairly healthy knowledge of electricity as I fix signalling for London Underground (plus access to decent test equipment) and did very basic ring mains and lighting circuits as part of my apprenticeship but the finer details of Home electrics are going to require more studying and asking questions on here for as long as you're all so kind as to answer my rambling!

Many thanks
 
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The Solicitor obviously asked for installation Cert as it was done so recently but this hasn't been forthcoming as its a probate sale and the person selling it probably has no idea when the paperwork for it is. However what I have just received is is a fresh Electrical Installation Condition report done last week.
That is the best you can expect if the original is not available.

I don't remember seeing a RCD at the end of the row of MCB's so i assumed it didn't have them. The Report lists each circuit as being protected by 61009 type B's. Am I right in thinking these are RCBO's?
61009 is an RCD - either RCBO or RCCB.
Individual ones and type B indicate
RCBOs.

On the Observations section most stuff is pretty self explanatory and easy to fix like no water and gas bonding, no RCD protection on the garage supply which given it also was listed that the garage supply is pretty rubbish and could do with retiring isn't a surprise.
Bonding might be inconspicuous or not required.

It also mentioned the Main Earth Terminal supply is only 10mm and should be 16mm. Is this something you'd expect to find on many older houses and it's just the regs have changed to make it a larger cable now?
Not if the CU was recently changed.

Lastly one of the Circuits(upstairs sockets I think) had a higher than expected Rn reading(1.61) and lists potential loose connection socket point leading to potential for circuit overloading. The house is in dire need to fairly significant remodelling anyway so i'd be surprised if every single socket face didn't come off the wall at some point and the connections will be checked. Am I right in thinking this test is nothing more than a basic continuity test end to end?
Could be - it depends what was commissioned.

I would say none of the above would be noticed or noted in an older installation and is not really important so do you want the house at a price you find acceptable, or not?
 
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I don't remember seeing a RCD at the end of the row of MCB's so i assumed it didn't have them. The Report lists each circuit as being protected by 61009 type B's. Am I right in thinking these are RCBO's?
Yes.
On the Observations section most stuff is pretty self explanatory and easy to fix like no water and gas bonding, no RCD protection on the garage supply which given it also was listed that the garage supply is pretty rubbish and could do with retiring isn't a surprise.
OK - but I'm very surprised that there is no bonding )if bonding is required) given that the CU was replaced in 2017!
Edit - The Garage not being RCD protected but has a 60898 type b which looks like a normal MCB. Is there any reason why I couldn't just swap it out for a RCBO like the other ones?
I can't think of any reason why you couldn't.
Or would it be better to rewire the garage as its knackered anyway fitting a separate RCD protected CU in the garage?
Well, if it's knackered to the extent of warranting replacement, then it probably does!
It also mentioned the Main Earth Terminal supply is only 10mm and should be 16mm. Is this something you'd expect to find on many older houses and it's just the regs have changed to make it a larger cable now?
WE would need to know more details to know whether 10mm² was adequate (regs-wise). As you imply, 10mm² would be very commonly found.
Lastly one of the Circuits(upstairs sockets I think) had a higher than expected Rn reading(1.61) and lists potential loose connection socket point leading to potential for circuit overloading. The house is in dire need to fairly significant remodelling anyway so i'd be surprised if every single socket face didn't come off the wall at some point and the connections will be checked. Am I right in thinking this test is nothing more than a basic continuity test end to end?
Yep - it's just the resistance of the neutral conductor path from socket to CU - as said, if it's high it could well be due to a poor connection somewhere.

Kind Regards, John
 
That is the best you can expect if the original is not available.

Agreed. Was just giving some context as to why it was carried out

61009 is an RCD - either RCBO or RCCB.
Individual ones and type B indicate RCBOs.

My googling ability is on target tonight then! Haha

Bonding might be inconspicuous or not required.

Makes sense the Surveyor didn't want to spend too long poking around everywhere.

In what circumstances would it not be required? I assumed all the metal pipework be it plumbing or gas would need to be strapped down to earth as basic good practice?

Not if the CU was recently changed.

Could be - it depends what was commissioned.

I would say none of the above would be noticed or noted in an older installation and is not really important so do you want the house at a price you find acceptable, or not?

To be Honest when we got the property information sheet we were quite surprised by the claim it was a fairly new install and had planned to having it changed out for something newer and better so our offer on the house was based on the idea it would need to be upgraded along with countless other things. Even with the list of issues it is still looking to be a bit of a win for us I think
 
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In what circumstances would it not be required?
Plastic supply pipes and/or insulating section at entry point.

I assumed all the metal pipework be it plumbing or gas would need to be strapped down to earth as basic good practice?
No, pipes are better left isolated, if possible. If not they will be earthed by appliance connections.

This has nothing to do with bonding, which equalises potential between parts that are already earthed.
 
WE would need to know more details to know whether 10mm² was adequate (regs-wise). As you imply, 10mm² would be very commonly found.
Kind Regards, John

What would you need to know?

In guess to your response. i'll give somethings I think you might need.

Wiring is estimated to be 30 years old
Earthing arrangement is TN-S(not sure what this means tbh. not googled it yet! lol)
100A Rated current with 33A SC capacity
 
Earthing arrangement is TN-S(not sure what this means tbh. not googled it yet! lol)
If it's TN-S, the 10mm² is quite probably OK - although an electrician may be needed to confirm.
100A Rated current with 33A SC capacity
Are you sure that it's got a 100A fuse. If that's what is written on the outside of the fuse carrier, it might relate to the maximum permissible fuse rating. I don't quite understand "33A SC capacity" - I think that may not be quite right (unless someone else has some ideas).

Kind Regards, John
 
If it's TN-S, the 10mm² is quite probably OK - although an electrician may be needed to confirm.
Are you sure that it's got a 100A fuse. If that's what is written on the outside of the fuse carrier, it might relate to the maximum permissible fuse rating. I don't quite understand "33A SC capacity" - I think that may not be quite right (unless someone else has some ideas).

Kind Regards, John


Okay fair enough. will look at getting a second opinion re the Cable size when/if we complete on it.

TBH I have no idea. Im working on whats written in the report and not from actually looking at the stuff.
 
Probably should say 33kA breaking capacity, which is a common value for a cutout fuse.
Yes, that sounds pretty likely. How they could know that (or the fuse rating), for sure, without having opened the cutout is perhaps a different matter!

Kind Regards, John
 

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