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Hi Folks looking for some information. I have to over see Fixed electrical testing at work their are 20 Distrbution boards to be done over 2 weekends I am not an Electrician but want to know what will be checked. Also would each circuit be checked at the DB and at the end of the circuit ie off/on switch at machine.
The distribution boards being checked are poorly marked up and in some cases not sure where they go/. finish my aim is to adentify each circuit and know that they are Safe and upto date. Please can I have your thoughts guys...Thanks in advance.
 
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... I have to over see Fixed electrical testing at work their are 20 Distrbution boards to be done over 2 weekends I am not an Electrician but want to know what will be checked.
If you are not an electrician (and I'm not, either - so I have no axe to grind!), I find it very hard to see how you can be reasonably expected to 'oversee' the testing of what is clearly quite an extensive/complicated electrical installation.

Kind Regards, John
 
This best practice guide is a good start. It will give you an idea. However it is a professional opinion and two electricians will find different things. And it is also down to the remit.

I have seen so many times, where one electrician does installation and another does portable appliance testing and neither tests the hand drier in the toilet. It should be done as appliance testing, but it's not portable.

So some one has to say what they want, it took three electricians three days to inspect and test one portable appliance, OK it was a batching plant and it was transported with 22 attic units. But it was not fixed and it was an appliance not the installation. And the foreman had issued check sheets showing exactly what needed testing and inspecting.

As to codes it is up to the electrician and having asbestos in a fuse carrier will be ignored by one, given C2 by another and F1 by another as they will refuse to remove the fuse carrier to check. And with re-wireable fuses one has to consider the status of the person in charge, ordinary, instructed or skilled. So in two identical premises in one OK in the other C3 just because of status of person in charge.

In the main it is a get out of jail free card, and electricians know too many items raised and they will not get return work, and they use tactics to shift blame. So one cable with some cores showing going into a box, and they class whole box C3 this means some one should correct it, and when they do a minor works certificate will show its been done, so then over rides the EICR. So if the electrician can find a fault, then he has passed on the responsibility to some one else.

I know it should not happen, but I have seen reports where one has no idea what has been seen as a fault, page 6 shows "Inadequate provision of socket-outlets" that could change 5 minutes after the inspection, so you get an inspection done, then you get an electrician to correct things, and he is left scratching his head wondering why its been coded. If the BS7671 reference number is used i.e. 422.4.2 then one has an idea, in that case one is looking at fire risk as light too close to combustible material, (that may have changed as I am using an old copy of BS7671) but point is simply DB1 Code 2 is not good enough, and some firms leave it open so they can use it as their get out of jail free card.

So what you need is a contract with some one to maintain your electrical installation and equipment. As a non technical person that is really the only option. Since nothing marked, they could not give you a quote, it would be day rate. I remember doing a Bank, there were borrowed neutrals and all sorts of problems, but to look at before starting it seemed easy, if some one gives you a quote, then likely it is on win some loss some idea, some large firms do this, like British Gas, or it's tick the box and run. What you really want is some one when they come across a small fault they fix it, rather than produce a list which needs actioning latter.
 
Guys thanks for the replies I have a couple of weeks to get up to speed I've downloaded the Best Practice Guide and will make good use of it. The company that is doing the testing is a regular customer to our site (x2 buildings) their electricans have a varying degree of experience, to do testing must the electrian have a enhanced qualification? In your view would it be wrong to shadow the guy doing the testing?
 
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I should think having someone peering over their shoulder when they're trying to work out what these 20 distribution boards do over two weekends should just about send them over the edge.

I'm not sure exactly what kind of place this is, but it sounds big, and I wouldn't be surprised if things get missed out, or can't be found, or corners get cut - especially if they know you are on their back.

Best advice is to ask a few questions and then bugger off and leave them in peace.
 
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Or tell them you are the appointed over-seer and know bugger-all. So whatever they do must be fully documented as, if any short-comings come to light after the event, they will be reworking the job free of charge. If you try to show 'knowledge' when you don't have it, they'll run rings round you. Respect them and they might just respect you.
 
In the main the EICR is to satisfy the HSE that you are doing what is required to ensure workers safety, and in real terms it does not matter how well the job is done, as long as it ticks the box.

When I have worked in places where we were short of electrical staff, we have employed outside firms to do work like EICR and having them take their breaks (extended) with us was enough for them to report and receive instructions, i.e. "labels missing in DB1", "can you get them and fix it", "yes", "OK I will authorise the work" that was all that was required.
 
I expect circuits to be missed and faults found during the testing as D/boards are poorly marked. I am in the process of creating a folder/quick reference guide of all the D/ boards circuits and would be looking for the electrical contractors advice.
The site was last tested 5 years ago ( should have been 3 years) and the old report had multiple missing circuits this needs to be improved and for a cost/Fee of 13k expect some cooperation. I will be honest about my electrical experience and Tackful I've been a FSE and do respect the fact that the contractors will becoming into a bag of nails so I think their should be a measure of help on both sides. Testing starts in a couple of weeks and I will keep the updates coming
Thanks again for all posts....
 

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