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ban-all-sheds · 17 Feb 2019

It is not a crime, in the UK, to marry an Isis fighter, or travel to the caliphate. The Australians have made it a crime to travel to certain regions, but a similar provision in the UK is only just about to become law. It is a crime to have aided and abetted a proscribed terrorist organisation. But sentences for that have been far too short to reflect what is arguably Ms Begum’s betrayal of her country by helping its enemies. Those enemies seek to destroy our democracy, our human rights and our people.

The concept of betrayal is an ancient one, covered historically by the law of treason. But the UK’s Treason Act of 1351 is unworkable, partly because it was framed to protect the monarch rather than the country. The think-tank Policy Exchange has argued persuasively that the act must be updated to make betrayal a specific crime, which must be punished. This has not happened — and not just because the machinery of lawmaking has been gummed up by Brexit. There has been a feeling, in Whitehall, that the word “treason” is old-fashioned and distasteful. Yet, in the absence of an applicable law, we are unable to demand legitimate punishment of actions that cut at the very integrity of our society.

ban-all-sheds · 17 Feb 2019

Britain's former conter-terrorism tsar said the east London schoolgirl will have to be accepted into the UK if she still only has British citizenship.

Lord Carlile told BBC Radio 5 Live if Ms Begum has not gained a second citizenship of another country she will be allowed back to her homeland because under international law it is not possible for a person to be made "stateless".

He added: "The law is that she has to be readmitted to the United Kingdom at some point if she has no other nationality.

"If she has acquired the nationality of another country, my view would be that we should not accept her back into the UK - but I don't believe that to be the case.

"So she will, if (she is) only a UK citizen, be allowed back, because it is not possible under international law for a person to be rendered stateless."

When asked if Ms Begum could be tried for treason he said: "The short answer to your question is 'no'."

Bosswhite · 17 Feb 2019

The media has made a good job of stirring up this situation of Ms Begum as far as I can ascertain all she is guilty of is getting married and expecting a baby in a Foriegn Land, no mention is made of the over 200 hundred men that went out and joined ISIS and the fighting that have returned and are within our Community .

SammyInnit · 17 Feb 2019

ellal said:
The sad thing is that the west has invited a lot of the problems onto itself.

So do you think it's justified?

EFLImpudence · 17 Feb 2019

Apparently she has had the baby - Its nationality is "uncertain".

Also - the Americans have 800 such people in custody. They want the various countries they come from to accept them back.

Are the hundreds that have already returned to the UK all in prison? Haven't heard as much about them; presumably because they are men.

SammyInnit · 17 Feb 2019

EFLImpudence said:
Its nationality is "uncertain".

Born abroad to a Dutch father, I'd presume it's looking less likely that the child is 'British'.

Bosswhite · 17 Feb 2019

SammyInnit said:
Born abroad to a Dutch father, I'd presume it's looking less likely that the child is 'British'.

Ms Begum is a British subject and parent to the child and can claim British Citizenship for her child

Bodd · 17 Feb 2019

Bosswhite said:
Ms Begum is a British subject and parent to the child and can claim British Citizenship for her child

The child will be easier to deport if he, she or other decides to follow the path of his mother and father..

EFLImpudence · 17 Feb 2019

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857

sodthisforfun · 17 Feb 2019

Bosswhite said:
Ms Begum is a British subject and parent to the child and can claim British Citizenship for her child

Am not 100%, but I think it depends on where Ms Begum was born? If she was born overseas, then I think she would have to apply for citizenship of her child.

SammyInnit · 17 Feb 2019

Bosswhite said:
Ms Begum is a British subject and parent to the child and can claim British Citizenship for her child

Unfortunately.

SammyInnit · 17 Feb 2019

EFLImpudence said:
Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857

She continued: "During the time I left I saw all the videos on the internet and that just kind of attracted me to them. Like it attracted a lot of people."

Her hot take on beheadings. Scum.

Vinty · 17 Feb 2019

KenGMac said:
As Bodd above.

There are internationally recognised laws that state any individual cannot be "Made Stateless"

If the "Bride" has only one state in this case the UK and is not officially recognised as a passport holder, or a fully recognised citizen of A/N other country, then the UK must accept the "Bride" back into this country, no exceptions! this is international law.

One would assume that when, not if the "Bride" returns She will be segregated and interrogated as to what was the original motive for going in the first place? was She radicalised by internet from abroad, or was it radicalisation from within the UK?

As an aside?? how many Ex- DIASH fighters, not, camp followers have returned to the UK ?

What makes this case such a celebrity issue is the media froth and bubbles?

Ken

Cannot be made stateless? Where does that leave the world's oldest refugee population,
If this bird and her baby come back to the UK , take the baby into care until the mother is judged fit to participate in society and doesn't have any anti social tendencies.

Vinty · 17 Feb 2019

Bodd said:
The child will be easier to deport if he, she or other decides to follow the path of his mother and father..

She may a British subject of conversation, but is she really British?.

nauseous · 17 Feb 2019

I still don't understand why the Syrian govt haven't arrested her??? Is she protected from them?

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