Buying British

Harry Bloomfield · 27 Feb 2019

jasonzyx said:
Are you referring to the Snells?
Do you honestly think that agriculture is simply sitting at home and waiting for the money to roll in?

No, I was referring to people sat at home claiming benefits. I am aware of a few who simply will not have work under any circumstances and get away with not working for years. I accept people do need a minimum amount of benefits to live on, but there ought to be a system where they are required to put some effort in.

SirGalahad · 27 Feb 2019

Harry Bloomfield said:
No, I was referring to people sat at home claiming benefits. I am aware of a few who simply will not have work under any circumstances and get away with not working for years. I accept people do need a minimum amount of benefits to live on, but there ought to be a system where they are required to put some effort in.

How much do you think we spend on Unemployment benefit - last years figures. How much has help to buy cost the taxpayer?

Harry Bloomfield · 27 Feb 2019

SirGalahad said:
How much do you think we spend on Unemployment benefit - last years figures. How much has help to buy cost the taxpayer?

Should we ever need to import labour, when there are perfectly fit and able individuals sat at home, doing nothing for their keep at all?

SirGalahad · 27 Feb 2019

Harry Bloomfield said:
Should we ever need to import labour, when there are perfectly fit and able individuals sat at home, doing nothing for their keep at all?

You seem to buy the myth that all those who are unemployed are work shy. Some are without doubt. Others are caught in the benefits trap. Some cannot due to family commitments need to work nearer to home etc.

So answer my question and then provide some facts about how many are sitting at home that are able but unwilling to work.

You want to focus on welfare - fine then also focus on corporate welfare which seems to fall on deaf ears.

ban-all-sheds · 27 Feb 2019

SammyInnit said:
UK workers find it harder to compete in a job market where workers from abroad can earn 3x their minium wage with a lower cost of living compared to UK nationals.

Minimum wage in other countries is irrelevant, as people working here don't get paid that.
Stephanie Maurel, the chief executive of Concordia, a recruitment company that supplies workers to about 200 British farms, says they've had virtually zero Brits apply.
“We've had two applications out of 10,000,” she says.
Are they the only people experiencing that? Doesn't sound to me like people struggling to compete. If a job is advertised and you don't apply, you haven't competed and lost.

ban-all-sheds · 27 Feb 2019

SirGalahad said:
How much do you think we spend on Unemployment benefit - last years figures. How much has help to buy cost the taxpayer?

Don't try and confuse him with the facts - his mind is made up.

His position was not arrived at by consideration of facts, and therefore cannot be changed by that method.

Bodd · 27 Feb 2019

If I can I'll always try to buy British... Price is part of it..

I'm looking at 4 news all weather tyers for the van... The best according to my resurch are Michelin... I don't really want to buy French

EddieM · 27 Feb 2019

A lot of unemployment centres around post industrial towns, there is a clue there, they cannot afford to work in agricultural areas.

Notch7 · 27 Feb 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
Minimum wage in other countries is irrelevant, as people working here don't get paid that.

I dont understand what that means.

if the amount a person from another country is 3x what they can earn at home, why is that not relevant to the situation......

securespark · 27 Feb 2019

Bodd said:
If I can I'll always try to buy British... Price is part of it..

I'm looking at 4 news all weather tyers for the van... The best according to my resurch are Michelin... I don't really want to buy French

I know, I got them for our car. But I look at it like this: Michelin is an employer in the UK and if we buy their goods, hopefully they will continue to employ people in the UK.

ban-all-sheds · 27 Feb 2019

Bodd said:
If I can I'll always try to buy British... Price is part of it..

I'm looking at 4 news all weather tyers for the van... The best according to my resurch are Michelin... I don't really want to buy French

You may have to give up driving - I don't think there are any "British" tyre manufacturers.

And BTW - radial tyres are a French invention, so you can't have those no matter who makes them - you'll have to fit crossplys to your van. What could go wrong?

EddieM · 27 Feb 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
You may have to give up driving - I don't think there are any "British" tyre manufacturers.

And BTW - radial tyres are a French invention, so you can't have those no matter who makes them - you'll have to fit crossplys to your van. What could go wrong?

And Vulcanised rubber is a British invention.

Hmmm... that might not be right #puzzled

Yes, as suspected a complex history.

RayCaister · 27 Feb 2019

And BTW - radial tyres are a French invention, so you can't have those no matter who makes them - you'll have to fit crossplys to your van. What could go wrong?[/QUOTE]

The first radial tire designs were patented in 1915 by Arthur W. Savage, a tire manufacturer (1915–1919), and inventor in San Diego, CA. Savage's patents expired in 1949. Michelin in France designed, developed, patented, and commercialized the radial tire.

Harry Bloomfield · 27 Feb 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
Don't try and confuse him with the facts - his mind is made up.

His position was not arrived at by consideration of facts, and therefore cannot be changed by that method.

With good reason. In the past, I have had some of these people working for me, where they have been reluctantly forced to take a job - to a man they have had absolutely no interest in doing any productive work, they are just there because they were forced to be there. A real contrast to those who were actively seeking a job and expected to work for their money. As said I also know a few work shy individuals.

ban-all-sheds · 27 Feb 2019

Notch7 said:
I dont understand what that means.

if the amount a person from another country is 3x what they can earn at home, why is that not relevant to the situation......

Because the situation is people competing for work.

If fruit growers could send their produce to other countries to pick, then people in the UK who wanted to do it would indeed be competing with people doing the work at ⅓ of their rates.

But if someone comes here to do the work then they'll be offered the same rates here as everybody else here, so nobody is competing for jobs against people who are doing the job for less money. What that labour would cost elsewhere is irrelevant, as it can't be got here at that price.

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