Flexi Toilet pan connector - broken

HERTS P&D · 20 Mar 2019

terryplumb said:
Its been known that rats have entered property's via ground floor WC 's ,through the pan itself ,swimming thru the water trap !!

This happened to a female friend of mine, she went to the toilet and found Mr Rat swimming around the bowl. She ran out of the house and sat in her car until I arrive. Luckily it went back down the toilet and we found him swimming around in the manhole.

Andy

bobasd · 20 Mar 2019

YorkshireMidge, problem is with your rat-flaps you might be back with the same problems of intercepter traps from about 100yrs ago.
they can cause blockages,
an any mechanical device can get stuck open or closed,
plus no one nows ther ther until ther camerad or dug out.

jeff the gasman · 20 Mar 2019

RATS.

bobasd · 20 Mar 2019

is that some kind of reply to my post?

YorkshireMidge · 20 Mar 2019

bobasd said:
YorkshireMidge, problem is with your rat-flaps you might be back with the same problems of intercepter traps from about 100yrs ago.
they can cause blockages,
an any mechanical device can get stuck open or closed,
plus no one nows ther ther until ther camerad or dug out.

Fair comment - It would certainly be the case that putting other forms of cr*p (than the intended type) down - i.e. flushable wipes etc - is more likely to cause a problem if there is some sort of trap fitted. I notice the Ratwall product reckons you should check/clean it yearly. For our downstairs loo, there is a small access chamber just a couple of foot outside the house so it's a DIY proposition to fit and maintain one.

jeff the gasman · 20 Mar 2019

bobasd said:
is that some kind of reply to my post?

It’s what is causing it! Seen it before.
I didn’t read the other comments so didn’t realise you knew it was Rats.

bobasd · 20 Mar 2019

thanks, i was a bit confused

yorkshiremidge,thats intrestin.
so you got one fitted when an why?
did you fit yours as a plumber orDIY'er?
what material was your sewer branch pipe?

YorkshireMidge · 20 Mar 2019

bobasd said:
thanks, i was a bit confused

yorkshiremidge,thats intrestin.
so you got one fitted when an why?
did you fit yours as a plumber orDIY'er?
what material was your sewer branch pipe?

Haven't actually fitted one - I was just making the point that it would be easy enough in my particular case to put it somewhere where it could easily be removed and checked without needing a plumber. Ours is standard 110mm underground pipe from what I recall.

When I replaced our downstairs loo/sink a while back, I had no option but to use a flexi connector and I wasn't happy about it for this very reason. Our house was one of the show houses in our little development and it looks like they were still experimenting, and one of the little quirks was where the pipes in the downstairs loo pop up out the concrete (i.e. not where they should have - leading to an interesting challenge of going into the loo and shutting the door that wouldn't have been apparent to prospective buyers just looking in!). I haven't had any problems since sorting it out though and it must be about 3 years by now - so I reasoned there was already a trap further down the branch, or maybe the problem isn't that common in relatively modern properties.

bobasd · 21 Mar 2019

i dont understand. maybe a photo would help?
the trap for a WC is in the fixture itself not in the pipework.

the access chamber you ref to is probly an inspection chamber - an IC.
aan you mustn't interfere with it.

when outside WC's were abandoned most of ther oldsewer branches were not filled with concrete an now provide rat nests. an rats way out if the old WC pan is still ther with a dried out trap.

YorkshireMidge · 21 Mar 2019

bobasd said:
i dont understand. maybe a photo would help?
the trap for a WC is in the fixture itself not in the pipework.

the access chamber you ref to is probly an inspection chamber - an IC.
aan you mustn't interfere with it.

when outside WC's were abandoned most of ther oldsewer branches were not filled with concrete an now provide rat nests. an rats way out if the old WC pan is still ther with a dried out trap.

See Madrab's two photos he posted up yesterday. The first type is stainless steel and goes in the branch and the cable anchors it. Ratwall is just a slightly improved version of the same idea - see

There is a similar product called Ro Guard. Both these do away with the cable and grip the inside surface of the outlet from an inspection chamber and can't go down the pipe.

The second type is the one I think you're referring to which goes in a pan connector. See https://mcalpineplumbing.com/wc-con...rb-1-anti-cross-flow-and-rodent-barrier-valve

I still accept your point though that these solutions present a blocking risk - but if I knew I already had a rat problem, a trap and the need to check/clean it periodically is the lesser of the evils in my opinion. There's a pretty good chance the problem will re-occur.

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