Do I need planning permission??

M44XMW · 21 Mar 2019

Hi everyone!
I am hoping for some opinions on whether or not I need planning permission to alter my garden wall.

The wall is 6ft high, and has a large curve as seen in the photos attached. I want to remove the curve and straighten it up as shown by my amazing artwork (not to scale).

I have read on various threads online that altering a wall of any height can be done without PP. However I don't know if this counts as altering, or other? I also wonder if it being on the curbside would make a difference?

Any opinions will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Max

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JP_ · 21 Mar 2019

Is it def your land? If deeds show angled corner, I'd guess it would be OK. If the wall fell down, you could rebuild on your boundary?

M44XMW · 21 Mar 2019

It is indeed my land. I checked the deeds.
I wasn't sure as the wall is above 1m in height.
I have read on some websites that PP is required for anything over 1m. However it isn't clear when it comes to altering an existing wall.
I guess I should just get in contact with the local council?

Mrjollyjoe · 21 Mar 2019

Its over 2.1 i think for planning, (in this area at least) even then its more of an issue if your creating a new wall where there previously was not one, you prob be fine to move it even at that height with no PP.

If it was me i would get right on it no issue there as far as i can see

^woody^ · 22 Mar 2019

M44XMW said:
I have read on some websites that PP is required for anything over 1m. However it isn't clear when it comes to altering an existing wall.

It is clear. It applies to new walls and new sections of walls/alterations. It does not apply to repairs of existing walls as long as the wall is exactly the same after the repair as it was before.

If by building the wall you would be blocking sightlines for drivers using the drive/road then it would be a planning and highways issue. If that would not be the case, then you could either apply for planning permission (subject to other criteria being assessed first) and it would likely be granted. Or you could just do it, in the knowledge that if it was queried and you did have to apply for permission retrospectively, then you would still get the permission.

M44XMW · 25 Mar 2019

Thanks for your replies everyone!

^woody^ said:
It is clear. It applies to new walls and new sections of walls/alterations. It does not apply to repairs of existing walls as long as the wall is exactly the same after the repair as it was before.

So going by the above, I would need PP as the wall would not be exactly the same as it was before, right?

I don't envisage anyone complaining about it as there used to be large bushes in that space, you can see the roots are still there.

Another concern of mine is when selling the house, my deeds will still show the curved wall rather than the straight wall. At a guess I would say that I would need to get the deeds changed for this, but without having PP proof this may be difficult?

^woody^ · 25 Mar 2019

Walls as you propose there don't normally get picked up by the average surveyor

Leofric · 25 Mar 2019

Walls and fences over 2m high require planning permission but I suspect , as woody suggests , if that is an access to a driveway just out of the picture , the wall has been stepped back like that to provide a visibility splay for cars exiting the drive and going over the footpath. If that is the case you should leave the wall as it is or if you build a wall over the visibility splay it shouldn't be more than about 900mm high. Check with Highways dept in your area for the exact height.

geraldthehamster · 26 Mar 2019

Arguably the wall there now is not adjacent to the highway, but the new wall would be, and would therefore be subject to a height limit of 1m to be permitted development. I say "new wall", because once you've knocked down that stretch of wall, there is no wall there. Not sure that demolishing a run of wall and building another run of wall in a different place counts as an "alteration"...

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