Replace ceiling rose with led spots Notification requirements

wrightsonm · 15 Apr 2019

Is it notifable work in England to fit multiple LED spot lights to replace a single light fitting in a kitchen and dining room?

I think i have concluded that it is just an amendment to an existing circuit, a kitchen is nolonger a special location, im in England rather than Wales, and the circuit loading is still safe, therefore the work is not notifiable.

Are my assuptions correct?

JohnW2 · 15 Apr 2019

wrightsonm said:
Is it notifable work in England to fit multiple LED spot lights to replace a single light fitting in a kitchen and dining room? I think i have concluded that it is just an amendment to an existing circuit, a kitchen is nolonger a special location, im in England rather than Wales, and the circuit loading is still safe, therefore the work is not notifiable. Are my assuptions correct?

Your assumptions are correct.

Although the work would not be notifiable, you do, of course, need to be competent to undertake the work safely in order to comply with the law.

You may find people jumping in and questioning the wisdom of replacing existing lights with"multiple LED spot lights" - but, in the final analysis, is is obviously for you to know and decide what you want.

Kind Regards, John

ban-all-sheds · 15 Apr 2019

"Jumping in", or contributing?

"Questioning the wisdom" or suggesting that it might be an idea to at least think about whether the need to have multiple lights to do the job of lighting up a room currently done by one light might indicate that the new lights aren't actually very good at the job of lighting up rooms?

Then there are genuine practical and possibly regulatory concerns which any responsible contributor should mention. Have the issues of variable light intensity and overlapping shadows on work surfaces been considered? If these are to be recessed lights, what's above the ceiling? Another dwelling? A flat roof? Making holes in ceilings is not necessarily as straightforward or even possible as it might seem at first glance.

Keithmac · 15 Apr 2019

Yawn...

ban-all-sheds · 15 Apr 2019

Keith - feel free to go away and not join in if it's all too much trouble for you to do it conscientiously.

wrightsonm · 15 Apr 2019

Kitchen lights are already gu10 fittings. They will be replaced with new led fire rated equivalents.
Similar lights will be added in the dining room for consistent look and feel.
Everything is accessible from above and below by removing floorboards.
No insulation in floor.

Keithmac · 15 Apr 2019

The man wants to fit LED spot lights, you spam every single spotlight thread with the same argument, gets tiring to read after the umpteenth time unfortunately.

I'm sure if he was happy with a single light fitting he wouldn't have posted in the first place, but presume you know best..

ban-all-sheds · 16 Apr 2019

Keithmac said:
The man wants to fit LED spot lights, you spam every single spotlight thread with the same argument, gets tiring to read after the umpteenth time unfortunately.

Then go away.

But only after you have found a guaranteed way to ensure that eerybody thinking about trying to light rooms with recessed torches has read earlier comments on aspects which they might not have thought about.

And while you're away you could usefully learn what "spam" means.

I'm sure if he was happy with a single light fitting he wouldn't have posted in the first place, but presume you know best..

I'm sure there's a reason why you are so opposed to people being given advice on matters which they might not have thought about.

But I really could not care less what it is.

ban-all-sheds · 16 Apr 2019

And to JohnW2 - can you tell me where you found the crystal ball which tells you with absolute certainty that the OP had thought about variable light intensity and overlapping shadows on work surfaces, and that he does not live in a flat and that he does not have a flat roof over his kitchen.

Thanks.

mikeyd · 16 Apr 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
And to JohnW2 - can you tell me where you found the crystal ball which tells you with absolute certainty that the OP had thought about variable light intensity and overlapping shadows on work surfaces, and that he does not live in a flat and that he does not have a flat roof over his kitchen.

Thanks.

JohnW2 answered the question. I don't see what overlapping shadows and flat roofs got to do with it, other than to provoke arguments and dissuade anyone who is new to this forum from asking a simple question? I will not reply again to this topic, PM if you want an argument.

ericmark · 16 Apr 2019

I have fitted MR16 equivalent LED lights both 12 volt GU5.3 and 230 volt GU10 and they have been very successful. Above bed head they allow use of light with minimum effect on occupant on other side of bed, and in the ceiling fittings they have allowed light to be directed to remote areas of the room where distance from the bulb would otherwise result in a dark corner.

I do agree thought is required, possible reflecting light off light walls or ceiling, and larger lamps like the GX53 can work better, but same applies with all lights, they need to suit.

JohnW2 · 16 Apr 2019

ericmark said:
I have fitted MR16 equivalent LED lights both 12 volt GU5.3 and 230 volt GU10 and they have been very successful. Above bed head they allow use of light with minimum effect on occupant on other side of bed, and in the ceiling fittings they have allowed light to be directed to remote areas of the room where distance from the bulb would otherwise result in a dark corner.

Are you talking about ceiling-mounted spotlights? If so, I would have thought that 'above the bedhead' is the last place you would want them, unless you are a person who never lies on your back in bed, looking upwards, with the lights on

We have wall-mounted narrow-beam-angle spotlights just above and behind our bedhead. They allow use of light (e.g. for reading) "with minimum effect on occupant on other side of bed".

Kind Regards, John

wrightsonm · 16 Apr 2019

I was looking at using the robus dimmable 8.5w led fittings. But now I cant decide. Im also planning on putting corner spots in my living room but was thinking about allowing for upgrade capability to gu10 philips hue bulbs to give colour mood lighting in the future. Looks like the robus fittings are all integrated leds. Any recommendations?

AndyPRK · 17 Apr 2019

Corner spots ? Why?

Keithmac · 17 Apr 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
Then go away.

But only after you have found a guaranteed way to ensure that eerybody thinking about trying to light rooms with recessed torches has read earlier comments on aspects which they might not have thought about.

And while you're away you could usefully learn what "spam" means.

I'm sure there's a reason why you are so opposed to people being given advice on matters which they might not have thought about.

But I really could not care less what it is.

You are the embodiment of "spam".

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