Fancy that ! This article exactly sums up the views of some on here !

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Essentially dumb remainers are delusional, they deny the obvious ....the majority ...majority want out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...LITTLEJOHN-stupid-people-got-wrong-again.html

Oh and the bit about the beeb wheeling out Campbell priceless ! :ROFLMAO:
The more it goes on the more dumb remainers are shown to be divorced from reality.

Let's have a people's vote ! Let's have a people's vote !! Haven't the people already voted ???????
Stupid stupid stupid remainers.
 
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keep telling yourself that, it will make you feel better.

Then tell us that you don't want another vote (because it would put an end to Brexit).
 
Think about this scenario -

May resigns and the blue rinse mob (all 120,000 Tory members) vote for Mr Wif-Waf as the next leader of the Tory party (and Prime Minister). Half of the Parliamentary Concervative Party appear to detest the man - not surprising when you consider his turncoat behaviour over Brexit and his dismal showing in government, etc.

He drops yet another "rowlock" a few weeks into his premiership which gives Jeremy the chance to table a Vote of No Confidence. Labour, the Lib-Dems, Ulster Unionists, SNP, etc all vote to dismiss him - on the Tory side some of those who detest the man vote against him, most abstain or make themselves absent. The voy=te is carried and we have a General Election

Jeremy and Labour are voted in. Farage gets nowhere after his views on the NHS (basically dismantle it and make everyone pay) and his party's complete lack of policy are revealed to the wider audience of the electorate.

Within months factions ion the civil service and the military become so dissatisfied with JC's behaviour, beliefs, etc that they assassinate him.......

Far fetched? Want to put a tenner on it?
 
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Where’s your evidence a majority want to leave? In EU elections Brexit parties won 35% of votes based on 37% turn out. That’s 13% of electorate. Doesn’t seem like much of a majority to me.

Referendum best way to fix it, stick no deal on the ballot, and if there’s the majority you and Littlejohn say there is we’ll be out by October :).
 
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Where’s your evidence a majority want to leave? In EU elections Brexit parties won 35% of votes based on 37% turn out. That’s 13% of electorate. Doesn’t seem like much of a majority to me.
I think when people talk about a majority they are referring to the majority that actually bother to get off their arse and go out and vote. Those that can’t be bothered don’t count. End of. Of those that could be bothered, the majority voted to leave - or don’t you get that?
 
Hello Motman

Yes I do get that more people voted to leave than remain in the referendum held three years ago. We were advised that once we voted to leave we would “hold all the cards” and would be able to agree a trade deal as good as we have now. We were told we would have a raft of trade deals in place with other countries before we left. Unfortunately this has not transpired.

We now have a situation where we either take a deal with none of the benefits of staying or leaving. Or we leave as hard brexit, which we are told will make us poorer, and will leave us with drastically reduced free trading options. Our car manufacturing industry, such as it is, will be significantly disrupted.

We probably will get a free trade deal with USA, which will bring opportunities,but there will be a cost. Their private healthcare is already lobbying for access to our NHS. Relaxation of gun controls? Antibiotic pumped cattle that allows the US to produce meat cheaper than our farmers, putting them out of business. What sort of a deal do we think Trump will give us???

Three years since the referendum things have changed. A slender vote to leave was not a mandate for the hardest possible Brexit. But - if this is now what we are being told is the best way to leave Europe - my view is the people should be allowed a vote on it, with an honest appraisal of the risks and opportunities it brings.

That is just my opinion and I do see where you are coming from. As a country we need to move on, there’s much more important stuff than w*nking on about Europe. I think this is the best way to draw a line under it.
 
But until it happens, everything and I do mean everything is just pure speculation brought forward mainly by those who have a vested interest in remaining in Europe. Just like the experts who had everyone spending fortunes updating their computer systems as on the stroke of midnight the Y2K virus was going to shut down all our utilities, our health service, have planes dropping out of the skies......

Didn’t happen though, did it?

The majority voted to leave Europe as amongst many other issues, we were being told what to do by them and we didn’t like it. When a bullied person leaves their partner, they do just that - leave, on their own terms, probably suffer some initial hardship but then rebuilds their life. You never hear of a bullied/abused partner 10 years on saying "I wish I’d stayed”.

We're not some poor country who was taking out of the EU more than they put in. If we were I’m sure they’d wave us off but we are in a better position compared to most other EU countries and I’m sure they’ll still want to sell us stuff which will involve buying our stuff in return. It’s simple economics which is what the common market was all about in the first place before it evolved into the EU.
 
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I was driving to Glasgow from Birmingham the other day. I normally go via the M6, but en route, the GPS suggested I go via the M42, pick up the M1 and cross the Penines via A69, due to a closure on the M6. I don't need the GPS to know the way, but I use it to forewarn me of any change in circumstances.
I accepted the advice because it suggested I would save some considerable time.
Similarly with Brexit, more information and changes in circumstances have developed over time. It would be foolhardy to ignore that information and change in circumstances.
 
Just like the experts who had everyone spending fortunes updating their computer systems as on the stroke of midnight the Y2K virus was going to shut down all our utilities, our health service, have planes dropping out of the skies......

Didn’t happen though, did it?
Thanks to the multitude of hours (and money) spent by the experts prior to, and during the event.
 
Hi Motman

You are right, it is just speculation, although we are now able to speculate based on knowing exactly how we will be leaving Europe (Mays deal or no deal).

You are also right that many predictions are wrong, but likewise, many are also correct.

We go through lives making evidence based predictions on cause and effect. We can’t know for sure what will happen if we leave with out a deal, but we have already seen the effect of a weaker pound pushing food prices up since brexit. We have seen Honda announce plans to close Swindon, British Steel go belly up. Brexit MPs tell us we will be poorer. If you were stood on the edge of a drop and couldn’t see the bottom, would you step off? Even if you were told there was a net? You might, many wouldn’t.

There will be people who believe that the benefits and opportunities of no deal out weigh the risks and downsides. There will also be people who wanted to leave, but don’t want or can’t afford to be any poorer, don’t want to see the country and our NHS rogered by Trump, and perhaps even are sickened by the post-Brexit up surge in racism incidents.

That is why, in my opinion, no deal should go back to the people.
 
Trouble with so-called 'experts' is they only need to know 0.0000001% more than you to be able to pull the wool over your eyes. This forum is full of experts in many fields - it’s a wonder they even manage to argue amongst themselves if there’s only one 'expert' way to do things. I take it you consider yourself to be an IT expert?
 
. The majority voted to leave Europe as amongst many other issues, we were being told what to do by them and we didn’t like it. When a bullied person leaves their partner, they do just that - leave, on their own terms, probably suffer some initial hardship but then rebuilds their life. You never hear of a bullied/abused partner 10 years on saying "I wish I’d stayed”.

Hi Motman

Can you share some examples of things which the EU has told us to do, and which we didn’t like?

Also how have we been bullied or abused?
 
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