Obviously - what is your point?
Wiring a LED AC floodlight up with no earth wire
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Plastic lamps can melt when there is a fault that causes them to over heat but does not take enough current to trip the MCB or blow the fuse. Plastic insulation can then drip off the wires leaving bare, exposed live parts.
Having an Earth conductor taken to the item may result in earth leakage currents as the item dis-integrates and this leakage would then trip an RCD or RCBO if one was fitted.
Make a formal complaint, in writing, to the MD/CEO of the business.
Are you advocating taking an earth/CPC conductor into all Class II items?
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...and, if so, to what would you connect it - in a plastic fiting to be effective?
3. The plug has 3 connections.
I can but presume that bernard was just talking about taking the earth conductor 'into' the item (e.g. to a 'parking' terminal) - on the off-chance that a disintegrating/melting item may, by chance, cause an L-E fault that would cause a protective device to operate.
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My question really then is, why do some appliances only have a live and earth wire and no earth. My speakers have a plastic case on them so why are they a 3 pin port?
My domestic stand up lamp only has 2 wire you see
I do remember having bad experiences making garlic bread
Instead of using the grill I decided to use the toaster and cutting the slices of bread too think
Putting butter and garlic on them and putting them back though the toaster again caused the main fuses in the house to trip. I guess with the wet bread touching the outside metal walls of the toaster and touching the heater bars too, electricity was now able to pass down the earth wire to trip the fuse
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He is the MD, its his shop!
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It's the difference between class I and class II appliances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appliance_classes
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Well, he is a dangerous to$$er then.
Some people here would have you spend a lot of time and money pursuing this person legally, which is what he deserves.
Others would take the view that you would lose most by such a process.
You mean Live and Neutral, of course.
Some appliances do not require an earth.
a. They have nothing conductive to earth.
b. They are what is called Class 2 and are made with double or reinforced insulation to prevent one fault causing a shock.
Not a very clear picture but the speaker does not appear to have the Class 2 symbol - a square inside another square.
Were there no instructions with the speakers?
I obviously cannot tell from here.
Perhaps there are only two wires in the cable. Have a look. You will have to cut off the plug anyway.
Ok.
He could complain to Trading Standards.
He could try a phone-in on a local radio station and name and shame the guy.
He could try a phone-in on a local radio station and name and shame the guy.
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40-50 years ago this would have been useful advice. I've done it myself, with some success. They went out of their way to be helpful and keep me informed, and it resulted in an unexpected fruit cake, in a box, being left on my doorstep. The rest of that story, and the attempts at bomb disposal, I will leave to another time.
However, what I hear of Trading Standards these days suggests it would be a waste of time. I would love to be proved wrong.
Something like this may well work, but again depends on the complainant being familiar with a local radio station and being prepared to devote an evening to doing this.
I would be seriously interested how many times you have done one of these things recently and how you got on. Maybe my impressions are incorrect about what the world is coming to.
He certainly could try, but the radio station's legal folk might have something to say about the 'safety' of that, particularly if all he had to 'name and shame' about was one single event (which could be atypical of the individual concerned).
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