John Cleese criticised for saying London is 'no longer an English city'

ban-all-sheds · 2 Jun 2019

Notch7 said:
Oh dear, once again you have interpreted what I wrote and then translated it as though it is fact.

Oh dear, once again you have done such a poor job of reading and comprehension that you have proved once again that you are so useless at this that you shouldn't be here.

Why would you assume I have a fear or aversion to change?

Why would you assume that I assumed that about you, given this exchange:

Notch7 said:
Many people feel their local area has changed over the years and they may feel that the change is due to large numbers of foreign people moving into the area.

ban-all-sheds said:
But why have a fear of or aversion to such change?

Did I write "... why do you have a fear of or aversion to ..."

No, I did not.

You really are totally useless at this, aren't you.

ban-all-sheds · 2 Jun 2019

Notch7 said:
Oh look another example of a remainer making pre judgements without fact.

Oh look - another example of you showing that you are so useless at this that you shouldn't be here.

I said many people have concerns about changes to their community and concerns about immigration levels.

Indeed you did.

BAS interprets that as 'fear of foreigners', or foreigners are invading'

No, I did not "interpret" anything.

You complained about people being labelled as zenophobes (sic) by "smug remainers" if they raise "concerns" about immigration. Leaving aside the fact that I have never encountered anybody who has "concerns" about immigration who did not turn out to be xenophobic, or racist, what I said was what gets people called out for xenophobia is not "remainer smugness", it is those people having a fear of others, as in:

Notch7 said:
Its natural for the same groups of people to stick together, which brings a fear of 'others'

because those others are foreign which gets them labelled as xenophobes.

As for me "interpreting" anything as "invading":

Notch7 said:
Its natural for the same groups of people to stick together, which brings a fear of 'others', especially where it may be felt that these 'other people' are invading their community.

Yup a clear example of bigotry.

No - just a clear example of you being so utterly, catastrophically useless at this that you should not be here.

ban-all-sheds · 2 Jun 2019

Oh look - darrington is as useless as you are:

Notch7 · 2 Jun 2019

ban-all-sheds said:
No - just a clear example of you being so utterly, catastrophically useless at this that you should not be here

Ah bless, BAS is upset because he has been caught out once again.

I never mentioned people being averse to others, because they are foreign, you did. You made that assumption from my post. Or to put it simply you interpreted my post to add 'averse' as it suits your bias.

ban-all-sheds said:
Everything to do with people being averse to others because they are foreign.

Everything to do with people fearing others because they are foreign.

Everything to do with people using terms like "invading

Oh and where did you read I am averse to change? ...........you didnt, you made it up.

Do try harder old bean and see if you can post without resorting to insults -it merely exposes your errors

Mfatic · 2 Jun 2019

EFLImpudence said:
You seem to have lost track of the original dispute.
You maintain(ed) that the term 'phobia' also mean 'hatred' of and 'discrimination' against the various groups. ...

It is not that I have lost track, I suggest that you are totally distorting my argument.
I have absolutely not ever said that phobia means hatred or discrimination.
If you think I have ever said that, you are either extremely mistaken, which means that you do not understand English, or you are intentionally distorting my comments. I have a strong suspicion which is correct. Until you can find where I have said that phobia means hatred or discrimination, my suspicions, and I suspect others', will persist.
In fact I have consistently agreed that 'phobia' is an English medical term.

Mfatic said:
Phobia is a medical term, taken from the Greek phobos https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/what-is-the-word-for-a-fear-of/

I have consistently said that islamophobia motivates hatred and discrimination.

Mfatic said:
"Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness."
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/599c3d2febbd1a90cffdd8a9/t/5bfd1ea3352f531a6170ceee/1543315109493/Islamophobia+Defined.pd

EFLImpudence said:
Phobia is used medically for an irrational fear, causing panic attacks, of things which themselves are not fearful - claustrophobia etc.

Agreed! It is an English medical term, created from the Greek 'phobos', meaning fear or aversion. Phobos does not only mean fear, it also means an aversion. It absolutely does not mean an irrational fear.
The words islamophobia, homophobia, xenophobia, etc are not words made up from the prefix 'Islam', 'Homo', 'Xen', etc and the English suffix of 'phobia', which appears to be your argument.
They are words comprised of the prefix, and the Greek suffix 'phobos', meaning fear or aversion.
Your problem is your insistence, (and in this, you are very much in the minority) that the words are comprised of a prefix, and the English suffix of 'phobia', they are not. And until you understand that point you will be forever flogging a dead horse.
You never did tell us what you were referring to, on that point.
Additionally, until you are accurate with your etymology, instead of inventing your own version of the etymology of words, you will continue to create suspicion of your agenda.

Mfatic · 2 Jun 2019

Notch7 said:
I never mentioned people being averse to others, because they are foreign, you did. You made that assumption from my post. Or to put it simply you interpreted my post to add 'averse' as it suits your bias.

Notch7 said:
Its natural for the same groups of people to stick together, which brings a fear of 'others', especially where it may be felt that these 'other people' are invading their community.

Fear, awe, aversion are very closely aligned. It is like someone arguing that they never used the wood 'consistently', when they have used the word 'persistently'. It is clutching at straws. Any reasonable person sees through your extremely fragile ploy.

EFLImpudence · 2 Jun 2019

Good grief. Time for rehab again already?

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/phobia

EFLImpudence · 2 Jun 2019

You might enjoy this as well.

https://www.tikkun.org/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism

Notch7 · 2 Jun 2019

Mfatic said:
Fear, awe, aversion are very closely aligned

Oh look, another Mfatic special

Is this a new phrase for you: closely aligned or should I say alternative facts

Closely aligned = means not the same old bean

According to your list, fear is the same as chickenheartedness

The reason we have a language with lots of words, is because they have different meanings.

Fear and Aversion do not mean the same thing.

Only an utter Numpty would use a synonym list in such a fashion.

Ps what does the word synonym mean?

EFLImpudence · 2 Jun 2019

Mfatic said:
I have absolutely not ever said that phobia means hatred or discrimination.

Been busy deleting then?

Why then have you been arguing with me when I complain about the usage of islamophobia when used to denote hatred and discrimination?

ban-all-sheds · 2 Jun 2019

Notch7 said:
Ah bless, BAS is upset because he has been caught out once again.

I'm not upset.

But you really are totally ******* useless. You are totally ******* unable to understand ANYTHING you read.

Or remember what you write.

I never mentioned people being averse to others, because they are foreign

Notch7 said:
Many people feel their local area has changed over the years and they may feel that the change is due to large numbers of foreign people moving into the area.

Its natural for the same groups of people to stick together, which brings a fear of 'others', especially where it may be felt that these 'other people' are invading their community.

Oh and where did you read I am averse to change? ...........you didnt, you made it up.

Oh and where did you read that I said you were averse to change? ...........you didn't, you made it up.

Do try harder old bean and see if you can read without failing to understand - it merely exposes your unfitness to be here.

EFLImpudence · 2 Jun 2019

Oh, and I have an aversion to tomatoes, I hate them, but I assure you I do not fear them.