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Ihavenojob said:
Where was this ? The tweet posted makes no reference to it , it just says he "thinks" healthcare will be part of a deal, what sort of deal, no one knows, as it hasn't happened,but I forgot, you can see into the future, so you know for sure.
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So do you want the NHS to be privatised and operated like in the US?
 
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Why don't you break the habit of a lifetime and actually look into something for once - you could look into the US's attitude to public services like the NHS, and see if you can scrape together any coherent argument that privatising the NHS would not be what the US would be meaning to do.
 
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Ihavenojob said:
Where in that tweet in the first post did it mention privatising the NHS ? It's a short tweet, read it again (shouldn't take you long) and then point out where it states they are going to privatise the NHS.
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I am asking for your opinion.
 
ban-all-sheds said:
Why don't you break the habit of a lifetime and actually look into something for once - you could look into the US's attitude to public services like the NHS, and see if you can scrape together any coherent argument that privatising the NHS would not be what the US would be meaning to do.
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Because we are on about the tweet posted in the first post, so just go off and knock another one out over your keyboard, then come back when you have spotted the reference to privatising the NHS in that tweet.
 
SirGalahad said:
I am asking for your opinion.
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My opinion is that the NHS should be better funded, not privatised and be better managed, as poor management is possibly the biggest failing of the NHS. We could start by scrapping the EHIC system (if we stay in the eu) and check every person at the point of entry to the UK for health insurance, if they have none they have 2 choices, 1, they purchase health insurance there and then or 2, they are put on the next plane/boat/train back to where they came. The EHIC system could have worked (financially) for the NHS if they had bothered claiming back money owed by other eu nations.
Better funding could be achieved by getting employers to pay NI on all earnings, not just when an employee earns over X amount of money, this in turn may stop the practice of restricting the hours of employees.
 
Ihavenojob said:
Because we are on about the tweet posted in the first post, so just go off and knock another one out over your keyboard, then come back when you have spotted the reference to privatising the NHS in that tweet.
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OK - fair enough.

You won't break the habit of a lifetime and actually try to find anything out.

And you'll continue your lifetime habit of wilfully ignoring what posts actually say.

You're a waste of space.
 
Ihavenojob said:
We could start by scrapping the EHIC system (if we stay in the eu) ...
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The EHIC scheme works fine, and doesn't need scrapping.


Ihavenojob said:
... check every person at the point of entry to the UK for health insurance, if they have none they have 2 choices, 1, they purchase health insurance there and then or 2, they are put on the next plane/boat/train back to where they came.
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If a non-EU person applies for a Schengen visa, they are required to have health insurance.
This doesn't apply to UK, of course, because we are not in Schengen. But the UK could implement a similar system. It chooses not to.
It is not necessary to put them on the boat/plane/train back, they are simply refused a visa until they provide proof of sufficient health insurance.
30,000€ cover is required.
 
Mfatic said:
The EHIC scheme works fine, and doesn't need scrapping.
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It works fine for the people who use it, the problem is each country has to claim money back, and sadly,while we are very good at settling our bills, we are not very good at asking for money owed, it's impolite and not the British way. Again, it's down to pi55 poor management.
 
Ihavenojob said:
It works fine for the people who use it, the problem is each country has to claim money back, and sadly,while we are very good at settling our bills, we are not very good at asking for money owed, it's impolite and not the British way. Again, it's down to pi55 poor management.
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I think you will find your opinion is based on claiming money back (or not) for non-EU citizens.
With an EHIC card you may be required to pay upfront for treatment, but the EHIC card allows you to reclaim the money from the UK.
The EHIC card only covers unplanned care, i.e. emergency treatment.

With no active investigation branch, the likelihood of NHS authorities discovering fraud is extremely low. The Huffington Post reported that only nine instances of low-level fraud involving the EHIC in the UK had been discovered in five years with a combined cost of £712.56
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Health_Insurance_Card​
 
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Ihavenojob said:
No, we should claim it back from eu countries, but don't for some reason. This is old, but highlights the problem
https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-scandal-as-uk-pays-millions-to-eu-10189381
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So you think that because we don't operate the system the way it is supposed to be operated, we should unilaterally withdraw from it?
Who's fault is it that we don't operate the system properly?
Who loses out the most if we unilaterally withdraw form it?
Who gains the most? (I suspect that foreign visitors will still be treated free of charge at the point of delivery in the UK. But there will be no mechanism for recouping any costs.)
 
Mfatic said:
Who loses out the most if we unilaterally withdraw form it?
Who gains the most? (I suspect that foreign visitors will still be treated free of charge at the point of delivery in the UK. But there will be no mechanism for recouping any costs.)
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The NHS will be a winner, no health tourists, anyone coming to the UK will have to have medical insurance or no entry. Would you travel to America with no health insurance?
 
Ihavenojob said:
The NHS will be a winner, no health tourists, anyone coming to the UK will have to have medical insurance or no entry. Would you travel to America with no health insurance?
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Most countries do not require medical insurance to obtain a visa. EU (Schengen countries) do require such insurance. Usually, for other countries it is optional. (and is different to normal travel insurance)
I have already explained that the EHIC scheme does not cover planned treatment. It may, in some cases, cover existing conditions.
So, please explain how and where these health tourists are coming from, and how they are abusing the system.
I think we can discount some EU citizens as health tourists as some EU countries provide better health care than the UK.

Currently, non-EU visitors do not need health insurance to obtain a UK visa, even though the UK is perfectly within their rights to request such assurance. and they would be harmonising with the rest of EU, if they did.
Why do you think the UK does not operate a health insurance scheme already for non-EU visitors?
Why do you think anything would change if we unilaterally withdraw from the EHIC scheme?
If the UK did withdraw from the scheme, how do you think it would affect EU tourism into the UK? And how would EU react?

Additionally, if we withdraw unilaterally from the scheme, how will it affect the multitude of pensioners living in Spain, France, etc.?

I notice that you ignored my first two questions:
So you think that because we don't operate the system the way it is supposed to be operated, we should unilaterally withdraw from it?
Who's fault is it that we don't operate the system properly?
 
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