If may only could see it....... she was holding a Royal Flush !

So, if you were needing to buy a large van, right now, what would you go for? Petrol, electric, hybrid or diesel?


I'm hoping my current 14 plate will last me another 3 years then electric if cheap enough
 
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Give it two weeks and the French workers will be doing our job for us. Rioting all week instead of just Saturday
What are you getting at Boddggdd? Are you saying that you don't want to leave the EU now?
 
Utter tosh! Trade discount? They're a business and NEED to sell what they produce. If they were "giving us a discount", who were they charging full price?
What happens to them when we say "Keep yer effing vans then?"

I wish it was utter tosh.

The reality is currently the UK currently have 759 trade deals in place.

The UK currently has totally free trade with the EU and no VAT to pay on goods for a business.

I understand there is frustration with EU bureaucracy, that is a lot to do with building common regulatory standards. But on the other hand common standards mean free movement of goods and a huge potential market.

Im struggling to see where the huge benefit will be if we ditch 759 trade agreements and have to negotiate those all from scratch.

Lets take one example: fishing. Currently the fisheries policy feels unfair. So we leave the EU, and we can say bye bye to the common fishery policy. Thats great, but we need to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. What will the Spanish say? No Senor, we wont agree to a trade deal until we get fishing rights, Oh and we want Gibraltar back.

And thats the problem if you rip a deal established over 40 years and start from scratch with no leverage.

We could join WTO, although its on the verge of collapse, and we wont get a great there as a new boy.

The pragmatic solution is to stay in.
 
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What are you getting at Boddggdd? Are you saying that you don't want to leave the EU now?
Yeah, Bodd may not admit it, but he is clever and widely travelled so realises staying in will be best(y)(y)
 
I'm hoping my current 14 plate will last me another 3 years then electric if cheap enough
Well if you’re hoping to keep yours for another three years, you aren’t the target market an EU van manufacturer is aiming at. My question was what would you buy if you had to buy one now as that is who the EU van manufacturers would be aiming at - it’s no good saying people are off loading diesels because in the commercial market, they clearly ain’t because there’s nothing to replace them with. For large vans or trucks, petrol, hybrid or electric just isn’t an option.
 
The UK currently has totally free trade with the EU and no VAT to pay on goods for a business.
Eh? You pay vat on all goods/service bought for a business, you charge vat on goods/services sold from a business and pay the government the difference. Even if you did pay no vat on EU goods, you have to charge it when you sell those goods and pay that to the government. Vat is irrelevant in any EU arguments.
 
Well if you’re hoping to keep yours for another three years, you aren’t the target market an EU van manufacturer is aiming at. My question was what would you buy if you had to buy one now as that is who the EU van manufacturers would be aiming at - it’s no good saying people are off loading diesels because in the commercial market, they clearly ain’t because there’s nothing to replace them with. For large vans or trucks, petrol, hybrid or electric just isn’t an option.


I'm not you average. I may not even be going in 3vyears. Just being optimistic. This could be my last van
 
Eh? You pay vat on all goods/service bought for a business, you charge vat on goods/services sold from a business and pay the government the difference. Even if you did pay no vat on EU goods, you have to charge it when you sell those goods and pay that to the government. Vat is irrelevant in any EU arguments.

It is relevant. If a business buys £100k worth of goods from Europe, currently it pays £100k. If we leave, the business will have to pay £120k. The £20k wont get netted off until the business raises sales invoices and gets paid by the custoner. Therefore there is a significant cashflow implication.
 
So are you saying that if I spent £100k on stock from say, a company in France, the French government doesn’t see a penny of the vat due on that sale but when I sell it in the UK, the UK government gets all the vat? Nice earner for the UK treasury that would be!
 
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So are you saying that if I spent £100k on stock from say, a company in France, the French government doesn’t see a penny of the vat due on that sale but when I sell it in the UK, the UK government gets all the vat? Nice earner for the UK treasury that would be!

Not really because the reverse happens as well.
 
Not really because the reverse happens as well.
Sadly quitters don't want to understand the concept of reciprocity...

Their cult requires them to believe that anyone other than 'their own' are causing their 'suffering'!
 
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