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Go and look up the definition of "prejudice".

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with prejudice. It is quite normal, healthy and necessary to be prejudiced against something, especially something that can cause us harm. Notch knows that Khan is a wrong 'un and knows he's up to no good; he knows that Khan is a slippery lawyer type that argue black is white and can make all sorts of nonsense sound like pure sense. Notch has a hunch and that hunch might prove to be right. He is only looking after himself - just like someone who is prejudiced against "sheds"
 
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CRIME: You look at crime from the wrong end of the telescope

I am sorry, but I have to disagree.

You think the solution to crime is punishment -I have no moral argument with that, but the facts prove that is not the solution.

Take Glasgow for example:
The SVRU insist there is no easy or one solution to the horrific problem, but it has highlighted several key areas ranging from housing to education and employment, which offer “young people a route out” from a life of crime.

Ms Rennie said: “Crucially they also offered those caught in the cycle of violence a way out of that lifestyle

Do you think that is an article from the Guardian?
Nope its from the Express
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...-crime-Sajid-Javid-police-crime-death-glasgow

Your solution of more and tougher sentencing has been proven not to work. Look at the re offending rates. Look at the levels of crime in the US and the numbers in prison.

Im not a loony lefty, I just believe in being pragmatic.

Harsher punishment does not reduce crime rates, its a proven fact.

What would you prefer? Harsher punishments and ever rising violent crime, or would you prefer lower crime rates by reducing the causes of crime?
 
Not really.

Before having any interest in politics I just voted conservative -I did grew up in stockbroker belt and had mates that became rich from the growth of the stockmarket. Remember 'loads of money'.

I generally prefer the idea of less state control rather than more, but the current crop of Tories are just a dreadful self serving bunch.

UK politics is so bad, Im not sure who there is to vote for.

Its a shame as there are MPs that are doung good things with good ideas.
Wasn't 'Loads of money' a plasterer by trade who got rich before the invasion of the Eastern European trades men.
 
Perhaps we need to send a parliamentary working party to the Phillipines for advice ? On crime ??? :idea:
 
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There is just over 10% of the prison population that are foreign criminals, they should deport them and we would have more room for home grown criminals. Freedom of movement has had an effect on the number of foreign criminals, as well as some good things, but even scrapping FOM wont stop criminals entering the country. There was a case in the news yesterday, a Romanian was caught stealing 3 days after entering the country (legally, as he was seeing a friend who was "giving him a job"), he also wants to stay after his sentence, shouldn't be an option. Harsher sentences for violent crimes, community service for petty crimes like shoplifting under a certain amount, the problem is , with legal aid the cost to the government, well us really, is so high that cases usually dropped before they start. So what is the answer ? Death penalty for murder or child rape would be a start.
RE FOM The horse has already bolted look at places like Bradford Birmingham London etc, knife crimes through the roof these places have changed significantly culturally, but we are not allowed to talk about that in our own country, its a shameful disgrace.
 
RE FOM The horse has already bolted look at places like Bradford Birmingham London etc, knife crimes through the roof these places have changed significantly culturally, but we are not allowed to talk about that in our own country, its a shameful disgrace.

Also, we must be aware that a lot of stabbing victims don't die - their lives are saved by modern medicine, surgery, emergency response times etc. In the days of the death penalty many of these victims would have died, and they are therefore equivalent to pre-abolition murder victims. Remember this when anyone tells you that crime is falling and that the abolition of the death penalty had no effect on the murder rate.
 
RE FOM The horse has already bolted look at places like Bradford Birmingham London etc, knife crimes through the roof these places have changed significantly culturally, but we are not allowed to talk about that in our own country, its a shameful disgrace.

Yes, there has been a huge rise in inequality in these places, a huge rise in the importation of drugs and a reduction of police.

Yes, the right wing dont like to talk about those. (And Im generally a Tory voter).
 
Also, we must be aware that a lot of stabbing victims don't die - their lives are saved by modern medicine, surgery, emergency response times etc. In the days of the death penalty many of these victims would have died, and they are therefore equivalent to pre-abolition murder victims. Remember this when anyone tells you that crime is falling and that the abolition of the death penalty had no effect on the murder rate.

Well thats ok, look at the murder rates in America -it has states that has the death penalty and states that dont.

Increasing punishment does not act as a deterrent to crime, that is for all types of crime, not just murder.
It is a fact.
You can choose not to believe it. Up to you.
 
Well thats ok, look at the murder rates in America -it has states that has the death penalty and states that dont.

Increasing punishment does not act as a deterrent to crime, that is for all types of crime, not just murder.
It is a fact.
You can choose not to believe it. Up to you.

I can't find the source, but wrt florida crime against tourists, harsher punishment against offenders worked out worse for the tourist victims.

The basic idea was, tourists are vital to florida. Crime against tourists is therefore no-no. Punishments will be draconian.

Rather than just threatening or beating up a tourist for their goodies, it became "Leave no witnesses"......
 
Also, we must be aware that a lot of stabbing victims don't die - their lives are saved by modern medicine, surgery, emergency response times etc.

also be aware that a lot of the attacks are not meant the kill. A friend is an A&E doctor in London - for every person killed there's about 50 coming in with multiple broken bones, non-life threatening knife wounds, and other injuries. A lot of beatings as punishments go on, gang on gang, that are never mentioned in the news.
 
In another thread - to which I'm not allowed to reply - someone said:

Giving the state the legal right to kill citizens is, on the whole, a bad move.
People who rape and murder babies usually meet sticky ends in prison anyway, without any assistance from the gub'mint.


This reflects a common view - that child killers deserve to get murdered in prison by fellow prisoners. How can that be moral? Why is it acceptable for other prisoners to kill, an act that they themselves enjoy and might be in prison for, but not "the state"?

We pay our taxes to the state for the state to protect us, on the condition that we do not take the law into our own hands.
 
also be aware that a lot of the attacks are not meant the kill. A friend is an A&E doctor in London - for every person killed there's about 50 coming in with multiple broken bones, non-life threatening knife wounds, and other injuries. A lot of beatings as punishments go on, gang on gang, that are never mentioned in the news.

How lovely! London is so vibrant and diverse what with the variety of horrific crimes it enjoys. I hear the Notting Hill Carnival is great fun if you are a stabber.
 
The Mayor of London, the ex lawyer who has spent £millions putting over 700 bum's on 700 comfortable (expensive) seats to search the Internet for hate words, is unable to get an effing grip of Law and Order in the capital.

A woman was.knifed in front of her 3 year old today or yesterday. A mugging.

What an inoffensive word mugging is. It does not convay the terror a mother would experience terrified her child could be attacked by a bloke with a knife




I do accept that the person wielding the knife may be under all sorts of pressures that I am unable to comprehend

Therefore topping the scumbag (not Khan) is not a civerlised thing to do, so how would the readers of this thread feel about the victim being given the opotunity to return the favour.

As in. Scumbag is tied up in a sound proof room.

The door opens, the victim enters the room and closes the door and calmly says to the thing in the rope,

Is this yours?

I dont think you can blame Khan for the crime wave. Remember 25'000 police have been cut by the conservatives since 2010, and crime has been rising since. Khan had nothing to do with those police cuts.

Put those 25'000 cops back on the streets and i guarantee crime rates will plummet.
 
Khan and Johnson have 2 things in common

Both were mayor's of London

And both of em are B*** Ends

:)
 
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