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gasbusters said:
I dont think you can blame Khan for the crime wave. Remember 25'000 police have been cut by the conservatives since 2010, and crime has been rising since. Khan had nothing to do with those police cuts.

Put those 25'000 cops back on the streets and i guarantee crime rates will plummet.
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I agree. He has been asking for more police, has been telling the government that cutting police is causing rising crime. Tories only interested in saving money and cutting tax to earn more money. They don't care if people get stabbed - they all live out in the country. Also, much of London is labour supporting, so the Tories can blame the crime on labour MPs failing their constituents. All very convenient.
 
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andy11 said:
How lovely! London is so vibrant and diverse what with the variety of horrific crimes it enjoys. I hear the Notting Hill Carnival is great fun if you are a stabber.
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Don't get involved in drugs or gangs and you'll be OK. Don't worry, it really is mostly gang related.

London is still one of the safest cities in the world. Don't let the racists and xenophobes make you think any different.
 
jonbey said:
I agree. He has been asking for more police, has been telling the government that cutting police is causing rising crime. Tories only interested in saving money and cutting tax to earn more money. They don't care if people get stabbed - they all live out in the country. Also, much of London is labour supporting, so the Tories can blame the crime on labour MPs failing their constituents. All very convenient.
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To be fair though, Sadiq Khan isnt blameless, he does have some control over policy and 30% of the mets budget.

Overall though austerity is the root cause and Sadiq Khan is trying respond to the challenge of knife crime, but starting from a position of a much reduced budget and less police and less police stations.

Rising inequality is a root cause, as Cressida Dick says you cant arrest your way out of the problem.
 
No, you can, but visible police presence does have a positive impact on crime. There's drug dealing all over where I live and the police are finally getting out and making a difference - they are also sharing their arrests (photos of drugs and weapons) on social so people can see that they are doing something. It won't solve the problem, but like bailing water from a boat won't mend the boat, it will stop the community from sinking.

We desperately need to legalise cannabis, that's the only way we'll reduce gang crime. at the moment the gangs control the most popular drug, take that away from them and their profits collapse and suddenly being a drug runner for a county lines gang won't be so lucrative. Plus, people will be less likely to move to other drugs because the local pharmacist won't be constantly pushing crack on them.

It's all about the laws of supply and demand. The gangs and the stabbings are only there because people want to buy drugs.
 
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Its not just about the punishment it's about speaking out about what's wrong.
jonbey said:
No, you can, but visible police presence does have a positive impact on crime. There's drug dealing all over where I live and the police are finally getting out and making a difference - they are also sharing their arrests (photos of drugs and weapons) on social so people can see that they are doing something. It won't solve the problem, but like bailing water from a boat won't mend the boat, it will stop the community from sinking.

We desperately need to legalise cannabis, that's the only way we'll reduce gang crime. at the moment the gangs control the most popular drug, take that away from them and their profits collapse and suddenly being a drug runner for a county lines gang won't be so lucrative. Plus, people will be less likely to move to other drugs because the local pharmacist won't be constantly pushing crack on them.

It's all about the laws of supply and demand. The gangs and the stabbings are only there because people want to buy drugs.
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Whilst i used to enjoy some amazing times on Cannabis and still enjoy it from time to time, and for years demanded it be legalised. My only concern is after watching a documentary on one of those 'spice' shops before it became illegal. Fck me there were some messed up people frequenting those shops. I know you'll always have addictive personalities just like you have many in the pubs every day... its tricky though.
 
I really think that the bigger problem is the crime. People will also take the drugs, whether cannabis, spice or some other new synthetic made in a garage somewhere. People will buy drugs, either from registered, tax paying dealers, or criminal gangs.

America tried to make drinking illegal - what happened? Gangs. The solution? Make it legal again.

Recreational marijuana is now legal in 11 US states; medical marijuana is legal in 33.

Some research: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268118300386

"Combining county-level difference-in-differences and spatial regression discontinuity designs, we find that the policy caused a significant reduction in rapes and property crimes on the Washington side of the border in 2013–2014 relative to the Oregon side and relative to the pre-legalization years 2010–2012. The legalization also increased consumption of marijuana and reduced consumption of other drugs and both ordinary and binge alcohol. "

Fewer burglaries, fewer rapes, fewer stabbings, fewer people drinking alcohol (probably linked to the reduction in rape).

"Four possible mechanisms are discussed: the direct psychotropic effects of cannabis; substitution away from violence-inducing substances; reallocation of police effort; reduced role of criminals in the marijuana business."

The outcomes in America back up the theory. What are we waiting for?
 
jonbey said:
We desperately need to legalise cannabis
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Certainly thee war on drugs is lost.

Portugal seems to be the place to look at, they have dramatically reduced drug abuse.
Drugs may be decriminalized, but drugs remain illegal.

The solution it seems is multifactoral and underpinning that is a long term commitment to provide the funds.........long term is the big problem stopping any success under the UK electoral system. The only term plan we have is debt :eek:

It’s why Goulão is so quick to point out that Portugal’s success isn’t because of decriminalization. It’s because, in 2001, his country made a commitment to providing whatever its citizens need to be as healthy and as fully engaged in society as possible.

“Decriminalization is not a silver bullet,” he said. “If you decriminalize and do nothing else, things will get worse.

“The most important part was making treatment available to everybody who needed it for free. This was our first goal.”

Underlying the policies is a national conviction that addiction is a chronic, recurring disease best dealt with through treatment not jail.

“Our approach is based on respect,” said Goulão. “It’s incremental. Our system works by asking citizens what he can give at that given moment

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/co...-is-no-silver-bullet-says-portugals-drug-czar
 
jonbey said:
Don't get involved in drugs or gangs and you'll be OK. Don't worry, it really is mostly gang related.
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That is little comfort. You are saying that there are scenes of extreme violence in the streets outside our doors but we should ignore it and walk past.

We should not be exposed to drugs, gangs and violence, whether we are involved or not. The authorities should be protecting us from this.
 
Thinking about this, and jonbey's point about legalising the ganja. The issue nowadays is more about Class A's and that is a different issue altogether, my experience of dealers was significantly different, from people peddling weed to people shifting coke/stronger stuff, you didn't want to fck the latter gangs about.
 
festive said:
Thinking about this, and jonbey's point about legalising the ganja. The issue nowadays is more about Class A's and that is a different issue altogether, my experience of dealers was significantly different, from people peddling weed to people shifting coke/stronger stuff, you didn't want to fck the latter gangs about.
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There are no soft drugs - disabuse yourself of this idea (although you would have to be a non drug-taker to see this.)

All the illegal drugs are illegal for good reasons.
 
andy11 said:
There are no soft drugs - disabuse yourself of this idea (although you would have to be a non drug-taker to see this.)

All the illegal drugs are illegal for good reasons.
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Disagree alcohol is a drug.. biggest killer of all.
The power and money behind prohibition of other drugs is king, there will always be the The demand. I grew up in a mixed up place of good bad there's no way you will stop it with police ever.
 
And another thing...only non drug-takers should decide whether illegal drugs remain illegal or not - otherwise you might as well let all criminals vote on whether their chosen crime should be legalised.
 
andy11 said:
And another thing...only non drug-takers should decide whether illegal drugs remain illegal or not
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Speaking as a non-smoker, I think tobacco shoud be an illegal drug. Let's say, 10 years in prison mandatory minimum sentence for a first offence; life therafter.

It kills more people than heroin, and is more addictive.

We'll do alcohol next.

Then gambling. Start with the lottos.

Also, I don't eat chocolate.
 
festive said:
there's no way you will stop it with police ever.
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Disagree! When I was growing up nobody took drugs...it was something you heard about on telly, something people in "that London" did - much like you hear of outrageous things going on in today's London but not the rest of the country. The only local drug use you did hear about was in the papers when somebody was caught and prosecuted. The police kept it down then; that they have given up now is why drug abuse is rife - not because of the defeatist loony left belief in inevitability.

A police chief (of Durham was it?) said recently that he conducted a massive and expensive operation to nail drug dealers in his area. It was successful, but , he said, dealing and supplies were back to previous levels within hours. His conclusion was that the police shouldn't bother. My conclusion is greater and more severe punishment...with sufficient punishment you will prevent and/or catch all wrongdoers. Also necessary is the banning of all drug advertising and propaganda. In my childhood, we simply did not know about drugs,
 
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