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andy11 said:
There are no soft drugs - disabuse yourself of this idea (although you would have to be a non drug-taker to see this.)

All the illegal drugs are illegal for good reasons.
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Portugal is a good example of how to lower drug abuse.
 
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Those who say "alcohol is legal and yet it causes trouble, death, addiction blah blah blah" as a reason for drug legalisation do not make any sense to me.

They are saying "we already have one legal, problematic drug, so why not let's add a load more legal, problematic drugs to it".
 
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andy11 said:
Those who say "alcohol is legal and yet it causes trouble, death, addiction blah blah blah" as a reason for drug legalisation do not make any sense to me.
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You're probably a User, so by your own rules, you have no say in the matter.

andy11 said:
And another thing...only non drug-takers should decide whether illegal drugs remain illegal or not
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andy11 said:
Disagree! When I was growing up nobody took drugs...it was something you heard about on telly, something people in "that London" did - much like you hear of outrageous things going on in today's London but not the rest of the country. The only local drug use you did hear about was in the papers when somebody was caught and prosecuted. The police kept it down then; that they have given up now is why drug abuse is rife - not because of the defeatist loony left belief in inevitability.

A police chief (of Durham was it?) said recently that he conducted a massive and expensive operation to nail drug dealers in his area. It was successful, but , he said, dealing and supplies were back to previous levels within hours. His conclusion was that the police shouldn't bother. My conclusion is greater and more severe punishment...with sufficient punishment you will prevent and/or catch all wrongdoers. Also necessary is the banning of all drug advertising and propaganda. In my childhood, we simply did not know about drugs,
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Andy mate with all due respect things have moved on.. have you visited countries ripped to **** over drugs?
Have you watched the series Narcos? Pablo Escobar?

Yes I grew up on the outskirts of towns where drugs were rife. Whole estates were full of dealers and takers.
My culture was all about Ecstasy Acid etc and fck me I had the most sky rocket times ever. A night out was literally one massive firework display of lights and incredible music. Friends and great times. And that was before the internet arrived. How do you stop kids talking about it now?

I strongly discourage my mob from ever touching any of it but they're all switched on and some of the might already who knows.
Am I more fearful of them taking a pill with no idea what's in it from a rogue dealer over a controlled produced tab? Yes. But no i dont want them touching drugs but they are everywhere now. Do we attempt to control and tax it and take away the power from the dealers I think so.
 
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andy11 said:
Disagree! When I was growing up nobody took drugs...it was something you heard about on telly, something people in "that London" did - much like you hear of outrageous things going on in today's London but not the rest of the country. The only local drug use you did hear about was in the papers when somebody was caught and prosecuted. The police kept it down then; that they have given up now is why drug abuse is rife - not because of the defeatist loony left belief in inevitability.

A police chief (of Durham was it?) said recently that he conducted a massive and expensive operation to nail drug dealers in his area. It was successful, but , he said, dealing and supplies were back to previous levels within hours. His conclusion was that the police shouldn't bother. My conclusion is greater and more severe punishment...with sufficient punishment you will prevent and/or catch all wrongdoers. Also necessary is the banning of all drug advertising and propaganda. In my childhood, we simply did not know about drugs,
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Just because you didn't know about drugs growing up didn't mean people didn't take them and believe me, it happened in small towns and the countryside too, not just London. Small towns are boring to youngsters, drugs get taken. You personally may not have mixed with people who took drugs, so you all seemed more naive but it would've gone on. The UK has taken drugs for years and years. Oscar Wilde wrote about it and have you never heard of the Opium Wars?!!
 
sodthisforfun said:
Just because you didn't know about drugs growing up didn't mean people didn't take them and believe me, it happened in small towns and the countryside too, not just London. Small towns are boring to youngsters, drugs get taken. You personally may not have mixed with people who took drugs, so you all seemed more naive but it would've gone on. The UK has taken drugs for years and years. Oscar Wilde wrote about it and have you never heard of the Opium Wars?!!
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Ive never taken drugs, but Ive employed guys who take drugs. One guy has a brother was a coke dealer (the town where he lives, the drugs were controlled by a Turkish gang). It seems to me drugs are as commonplace now as it was when I went out with mates to a pub. They dont seem to mind what they try either, coke, ketamine etc etc.
 
Ihavenojob said:
And will stay illegal until they can find a way to tax them.
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Legalise cannabis, sell through pharmacies where you need to register to purchase (to control level of purchasing) and tax it. Simples.
 
Notch7 said:
It seems to me drugs are as commonplace now as it was when I went out with mates to a pub. They dont seem to mind what they try either, coke, ketamine etc etc.
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This is the problem. I was chatting with a guy working for a large drinks company a few years ago - he said kids today are not drinking alcohol. Pub culture is dead for youngsters. The only alternative to alcohol are illegal drugs. To get them, you have to do business with drug gangs, who will try their best to sell their most lucrative products to you. Legalising, with control, will kill gangs. Let pubs sell cannabis, might save the pubs and stop the gang violence. Win win?
 
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