Pat testing - can you recommend a good app?

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Hey y'all,
I'm being muggins at work and going on a pat test course (someone has to do it).
Although I will not be able to keep written records, they will have to be electronic so I am trying to go for an android tablet (as it has far more uses) and an app to document the test records.

Can you recommend one?
Can you share your experiences with one?

Our tester is a manual one so will not link up to anything else, everything will have to be manually entered.

Cheers.
(And before someone like BAS says it - yes I know we do not "have" to document stuff, its just good practice).
 
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I too would be interested to know what people are using - especially if it runs on a mobile (Android). Oh yes, and does (edit) not cost a fortune.
I'm only doing a little as a bit of a sideline, and the documentation is a right PITA :evil:
 
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I had problems, first I got firm to buy software to log everything and once I came to use it found it asked for the readings, and my tester simply had a light, pass/fail, ringing the firm they said simply enter the pass figure shown on the calibration document.

However on getting out the document there was no figure recorded, but it was a traceable record, so got hold of the firm who did the calibration, it turned out they had sub-contracted the work, so I sent software back and used a simple Excel work sheet knowing I could ask it to change pass1 for the pass figure once I got it.

Time ticked by, and then it came to threats, if not sorted we would take out business elsewhere, so request to have the tester returned as they could not trace the traceable record, you can I am sure think what my comment was, but it was returned and the report came back it was originally set to an old pass level, which has been superseded with current regulations so it can't be set to current pass level.

This resulted in all my testing was void, the firm offered us a new top of range Robin tester at a very much reduced rate and a guy to do a weeks testing. So now all seemed A1 with a tester recording results on floppy disc.

Move on some 3 or 4 years and I am working for another firm using the same tester, portable appliance testing was a job done when no other work pressing, and we all had two passwords, one to sign on, and one to sign off, without the latter anyone using it after you would get all they tested marked as being tested by you.

Of course from time to time some one would forget, so I wrote a visual basic program to correct the data, 6 months latter found the foreman using it to alter dates and resubmit so it seemed items had been tested that were not, the result of that was all test results had to be printed and signed, as digital records could not be trusted, the results went in a folder marked keep until and a date.

The whole idea of software is to show a trend, so it shows at least last result, and often shows last 5 results, but it takes time to fill in, and when using that top of range Robin which recorded on floppy disk, I timed myself and tried to see how many I could do in 7 hours, I had just finished when boss picked me up, 64 items, and that was writing down info while tester was going through the tests, 9 items an hour or 6.5 minutes each was not the result I expected, I have know of people who have done 200 in a day, or less than 2.5 minutes an item, tried the tested, it would not complete a test in that time even class II so they must have cheated.

However writing down results does take time, at £20 an hour, to break even that's £3 per item, so big question can you afford the time to write down the results? And with for example a PC clearly the lead set is tested with the PC, to have to test twice just to record two sets of results does seem daft, maybe that's how they got 200 a day?

So maybe simple Excel is best option, if your cleaver maybe Access? I did write an Access program to record test results, but a long time ago. Could even use java script, or java. Likely the program you buy does just that.

But last portable appliance I tested took 3 men two days, and we had a tick box and enter result sheet around 5 pages just for the one item, it included testing all safety gates, and other safety features, the batching plant was delivered on 22 articulating wagons, and would go to next site in the same way so it was portable, but not what one normally considers as PAT testing even if it was the inspecting and testing of in-service electrical equipment, so you would not find a software package to work with that, and there will be in every firm some thing which does not lend itself to testing with a standard PAT testing machine.

Often it's the hand drier in the toilet, hard wired, so it would need isolating and removing to do standard PAT test, but what do you need to know, is the earth OK, and will the RCD trip, does not really need removing to test that, but then it will not drop into the standard item in software.

Today most testers come with software, so likely your best option is Excel or Access.
 
Well I'm most definitely not writing out reports for each item - I just wont be testing anything if that's required.
To me a simple tablet taken with the tester is IMHO going to be the most convenient way, however there has been mention of a laptop although to me that's quite cumbersome.

Kewtech do a free app, as does Seaward so it may be a case of testing them both out to see which fits the bill.
 
To show a trend, you need to be able to view last reading, with software I used that was only shown in the office when new results were uploaded which was to my mind a bit late, by that time already passed.

The software also high lighted items due for testing, seems good, until you try and use it, kettle in lab office needs testing number L115 so you go to Lab, where's your kettle it needs testing, and then you find a brand new kettle, you don't know what happened to old one, you assume scrapped, only for it to turn up in the workshop 3 months latter.

No one will tell you when they buy new, or when they scrap items, so you make out the equipment register as it tells you to, but it is never updated, as to quarantine, you try locking failed items away until repaired, and that did cause fines in one place I worked, where there was a lack of signs telling people this is a quarantine area nothing must be removed.

Some one had gone into a fitters locker and taken a faulty extension lead unknown to fitter, some one got a shock, as laid down they went to hospital for observation, they told HSE, who in turn visited the factory, and the fitter was fined for not having a lock on his locker or sign to say quarantine area.

Lucky my end the room was always locked, and there was a sign, and every item had been logged into the repair register. You will note most places have a cage for the electricians, this is not because we are beasts that need caging up, but so we can lock a door to stop people removing items before repaired and tested, and so should an electrician be injured it can be seen help is required.

Remember whole reason for PAT testing is to satisfy HSE, they are not unreasonable, but simply putting on a failed label is not enough. Although new items don't really need testing, once a year old it is too late to return as faulty, so best to test then if there is a fault they can be returned.

It is the mechanical side I found a problem with, your given a angle grinder to test, it passes electric wise, but has a chipped wheel, or missing guard, putting a passed label on is not really what you want to do, I in many places removed the wheel, then up to person fitting new one who needed a licence, to decide if guard OK or not.

It was also the rules where item is OK to use at home, but not OK at work, missing Class II label, or no auto off when power lost, again grinding wheels, I would fit active RCD's to supply, cheapest and easiest way to stop auto restart after a power cut.

And combination tools, the mag mount drill, where the drill is Class II but mag mount Class I so easy to test whole as Class II, and stickers on computers to show fitted with isolation transformer being fitted inside the case, today very few computers are made from parts, but early days making sure labels were fitted was a problem.

The plugging into PAT tester is the easy bit, what we did was all new items first test by an electrician, once the schedule of tests had been logged into the system, then electricians mate could do PAT testing, however the 2004 Emma Shaw case changed that, I like many foreman felt that a semi skilled guy was well able to push buttons and record what the meter said, any odd result, like OL would alert me to find out why, I never even considered an electricians mate would fudge up some results if the meter showed some thing like OL.

It has always been let the courts decide, but did not expect that result, after that electricians mates could not be used without supervision, so you need to prove to a court you have the skill, the C&G 2391 exam for installation testing is very strict, with quite a high failure rate, but the PAT testing exam both parts are rather easy to pass, until there is a court case, we don't know if it is enough, they were originally designed as an extra for an electrician not stand alone, they have for years been used to train semi-skilled, but also for years we used electricians mates to plug in a tester press button and record reading. Until some one is killed by an in-service electrical appliance which was passed as OK by some one semi-skilled and it goes to court we don't know what the court will decide.

Personally I would not take the risk, but there is no qualification to be an electrician, because of the EU and freedom of movement there are too many qualifications around Europe to list what is required to call yourself an electrician, but not really a problem for you, in fact it helps you, and gives you a get out of jail free card, it's your boss who could have a problem.
 
A slight twist to the thread - I have been asked to test a 110v extension lead.

Not hard to do I thought, give it visual checks etc. (its already failed on these) and then whip it into the Unit-T UT528 manual tester we have.
Passed insulation and earth continuity fine until it got to the polarisation test it runs where it failed.
This IMO is because the 110v adapters have the L&N in the Yellow plug both linked to Neutral in the lead and the Live wire is cut off.

I take it that this is something to do with testing the transformers which I understand are actually 55-0-55 output and no real neutral.
Can someone expand on this please?

I can see me having to make another set of adapters so I can test 110v extension leads with the tester.
(although this is a 240v tester so testing 110v equipment may be a problem?)

Im still going to be looking at software although may have to expand it to using it on a laptop instead of a tablet.
 
I don't get what you are doing with the adapaters, they should be wired 'straight through' (and also labeled PAT use only) Yours sound completely wrong.

In most cases most 110 leads ill pass on polarity even though the test is NA, just because people stick to conventions when wiring it, if the tester tries to fail one on polarity then you would need to either manually override it (as polarity is meaningless on a CTE system) or create a new test group for the 110 cte leads which doesn't have polarity in it
 
I could see a good reason for the "13A plug to 110V socket" adapter being that way - prevents someone picking it up because "the tool has the wrong plug" and connecting a 110V tool to a 240V supply. Possibly the same thinking for the "110V plug to 13A socket" adapter - except that it's going to short out the supply.
In principle there's not a lot wrong with "correctly" wiring your adapters - but you would then need to take responsibility for preventing someone picking them up and using them for any other purpose.
I don't see any problem testing 110V leads with a 240V tester. AFAIK they don't make special "half the voltage rating" cable for just that use, so not likely to cause any problem.
 
A few places sell these adapters as a kit, if all else fails Ill contact one of them and ask if that's how they were supposed to be wired.
The last person that did the testing is no longer with us and non of the electricians know why these leads are this way.

Testing leads will be fine but I have seen comments about equipment not liking a 240v test.
I think its the leakage one, I cannot disable this test in the tester I have.
 
Is that 240V on L&N combined to earth ? If so then nothing should be damaged by that - if it is then it's arguably not fit for purpose. IMO it's the same argument about not using 500V during EICRs of 240V installations - 240V AC has a peak voltage of 340V, so anything damaged by 500V is already pretty marginal to say the least and is likely to suffer when spikes (eg from lightning) come down the wire. OK, 110V stuff is generally fed on 55-0-55 so 78V peak to earth - but in some places it would be run on 110V L to an earthish N so needs to at least cope with 156V.
Insulation that is OK with 156V but fails at 240V is not, IMO, something to call insulation. AIUI most tools are flash tested at 1kV at least.
Electronics are a different matter - but should not be connected between L or N and earth.
 
Testing leads will be fine but I have seen comments about equipment not liking a 240v test.
That would explain why your leads are the way they are. If your tester insists on doing a leakage test (i.e. applying power to the appliance and measuring the leakage) and your tester can't run off 110V then it would seem using a weird adapter like that would be the only way to do any testing on a 110V appliance.
 
OK, it now appears that the 110v adaptor leads were wired with no live so that they cannot be inadvertently used to power something that's designed for 110v off 240v.
This will of course force it to fail a continuity test.
OK that's sorted, Ill modify them to be wired 1:1 and put a big label on them - I'd rather be able to fully test a 110v extension lead, they will remain in my care.

As to what app - it seems that the Kewtech app is the only one thats any good.
Although I'd like to find a compatible BT/thermal printer that's not circa £300.

My next search is for a database to record all the company equipment in along with test results etc.
I'm sitting the 2377 exam tomorrow afternoon, fingers crossed lol.
 

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