Will you support Soldier F
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Would I support soldiers being allowed to become unaccountable for their actions and not have to answer for their conduct as regards basic international human rights agreements?
No way!
To suggest that they should literally be allowed to get away with murder is sadly to push the UK further into 'banana republic' territory!
No way!
To suggest that they should literally be allowed to get away with murder is sadly to push the UK further into 'banana republic' territory!
Does Ellal support IRA terrorists.......seems like he does
That is not a conclusion that can be drawn from what he wrote.
However, it's been 47 years - and it's not as if all the witnesses were reliable and unbiased, is it?
However, it's been 47 years - and it's not as if all the witnesses were reliable and unbiased, is it?
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If you are employed to defend your country and it's provinces, and your bosses tell you that you have permission to shoot to kill if you believe you or your comrades are in danger of being killed if you don't take action, then how can that become classed as murder?
There was clear evidence, at the time of the incident, that the soldiers had been under constant intimidation and provocation with clear signs the protagonists were intent to take lives if/when possible or cause maximum injury to military personnel. In the enquiry after the incident all soldiers were acquitted of any wrong doing. Now soldier F is being held up as a scapegoat because the government has bowed to the terrorists and apologised to them! They have even allowed their leaders to become part of our government FFS!
My parents both went through a war, (Dad was RN on convoy escorts for 5 years, Mum was Waaf for 3 years), to help this country keep it's freedom, not just from Europe but from anyone else in the world who thought they could break us. Are we supposed to ask for their written permission if we can shoot back at them when they throw nail bombs at us, point powerful guns at us, blow up strategic targets killing not only our troops but innocent civilians of all ages?
YES! I fully support ALL our troops in every theatre of conflict they may be involved in! It's a pity more people in this country don't feel the same way before it is too late to feel anything except regret that we didn't all support them all the time. As a nation we are great when it comes to celebrating past victories, looking proud as our troops march down the high street on a ceremonial occasion or welcome home dead soldiers to their final resting place. Pity we don't feel so patriotic the rest of the time.
Rant over.
There was clear evidence, at the time of the incident, that the soldiers had been under constant intimidation and provocation with clear signs the protagonists were intent to take lives if/when possible or cause maximum injury to military personnel. In the enquiry after the incident all soldiers were acquitted of any wrong doing. Now soldier F is being held up as a scapegoat because the government has bowed to the terrorists and apologised to them! They have even allowed their leaders to become part of our government FFS!
My parents both went through a war, (Dad was RN on convoy escorts for 5 years, Mum was Waaf for 3 years), to help this country keep it's freedom, not just from Europe but from anyone else in the world who thought they could break us. Are we supposed to ask for their written permission if we can shoot back at them when they throw nail bombs at us, point powerful guns at us, blow up strategic targets killing not only our troops but innocent civilians of all ages?
YES! I fully support ALL our troops in every theatre of conflict they may be involved in! It's a pity more people in this country don't feel the same way before it is too late to feel anything except regret that we didn't all support them all the time. As a nation we are great when it comes to celebrating past victories, looking proud as our troops march down the high street on a ceremonial occasion or welcome home dead soldiers to their final resting place. Pity we don't feel so patriotic the rest of the time.
Rant over.
So how do you work that one out?
Oh that's right, you like making stuff up when you don't have a clue what others are actually saying!
(Then of course there will be the threat to invoke 'insufficient privileges'
)I could come to the 'conclusion' that you might support the idea that soldiers can kill civilians with impunity, but I won't...
Because no-one in their right mind would countenance such a notion, would they?
As part of the peace deal Royal pardons signed by the Queen were granted to escaped IRA terrorists, these were people serving sentences for murder but who had escaped prison.
In addition to this, 200 suspected terrorists were given 'comfort letters' effectively protecting them from prosecution regardless of any atrocities they committed.
At the very least, British soldiers who served in NI should have been afforded the same protection.
In my opinion anyone who disagrees with this notion is a traitor.
In addition to this, 200 suspected terrorists were given 'comfort letters' effectively protecting them from prosecution regardless of any atrocities they committed.
At the very least, British soldiers who served in NI should have been afforded the same protection.
In my opinion anyone who disagrees with this notion is a traitor.
Yes, I suppose anyone who criticises actions of the Queen is a traitor.
You, perhaps.
Oh I know what you were saying ok.
What you are saying is: 'lets take it of context and ignore the circumstances so we can then say anybody that agrees that the soldiers should be pardoned, are condoning murder'.
Its funny how you get upset when I turn it around and say you must support the IRA. Suddenly you dont like it
These are political prosecutions and nothing to do with justice.
These alleged offences were investigated at the time and the soldiers involved were cleared.
It seems no new evidence has been uncovered yet the prosecutions are going ahead regardless.
For 40 years Sinn Fein had no interest in these tragic deaths now all of a sudden they want inquiries and prosecutions.
Deaths of ordinary Roman Catholic civilians mean nothing to Sinn Fein unless they can be exploited for political advantage.
If Sinn Fein was really concerned about justice for dead Roman Catholics they should come clean about their role in the killings of 100's of innocent Roman Catholics by their military wing the IRA.
These alleged offences were investigated at the time and the soldiers involved were cleared.
It seems no new evidence has been uncovered yet the prosecutions are going ahead regardless.
For 40 years Sinn Fein had no interest in these tragic deaths now all of a sudden they want inquiries and prosecutions.
Deaths of ordinary Roman Catholic civilians mean nothing to Sinn Fein unless they can be exploited for political advantage.
If Sinn Fein was really concerned about justice for dead Roman Catholics they should come clean about their role in the killings of 100's of innocent Roman Catholics by their military wing the IRA.
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I think Soldier F will win in court. This is all for public show and try to put an end to all of this. The Inquiry highlighted issues but as is evident it is hard to apportion blame especially now it's been so long. This seems to be for public consumption than any real desire to prosecute for past actions.
I think Soldier F will win in court. This is all for public show and try to put an end to all of this. The Inquiry highlighted issues but as is evident it is hard to apportion blame especially now it's been so long. This seems to be for public consumption than any real desire to prosecute for past actions.
WHEN he is acquitted, I hope he receives a substantial financial package for the trauma they have subjected him and his family to and the plebs who decided to bring the case are seriously demoted. No point in sacking them as that would just cost the tax payer money to give them dole. Make them continue to work for their, (much lower), pay.
SirGalahd, rest assured I am not having a pop at you or your post.
But which public consumption? Certainly not the majority of British people. We want to rest easy in our beds knowing that our military personnel are protecting us to the best of their ability without fear of prosecution at some far flung future date. Our military personnel also want to know they can rest assured that when they carry out their duties they will not have to consider future implications before they take whatever action is needed to save their, and their colleagues, lives. They have to make split second decisions on what action to take. They can't afford to be going into a situation wondering if what action they take is going to come back and haunt them in future years when they are contemplating retirement and a release of the stress that has built up over the years. I'm sick of reading about friends, or friends of friends, who have, 'crossed the bar to the FRV'. I hear people saying things like, "Well when they signed up they knew what they were signing for." or "They knew one day they may have to kill someone." They signed up in order to protect our country and ALL it's peoples in the fervent hope they would NOT have to kill someone in the process. Thankfully for the majority this actually happens. They become involved in a situation but they, personally, are not responsible for pulling the trigger. Those that do pull the trigger, push the button or whatever, have enough to contend with, (dealing with their split second decisions and actions afterwards), without this background fear. Every action, in every battle is analysed afterwards when there is time and safety to do so. Once it is established the correct action was taken, or lessons can be learnt from what happened, then it should be a closed book. It should not be dragged up 40+years later and twisted and turned out of context of what happened at the time just for the whim of someone who wasn't probably alive at that time or was very young. The time for finding fault, if any existed, is at the time or very shortly after the incident occurred when memories are still fresh and have not been distorted by time and opinions. Once that decision has been verified and agreed upon then the matter should be closed.
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My point is though it is unsavoury, I believe the prosecution has been brought in the likelihood it will lose in court. Then we can draw a line in the sand on this issue.
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