Is the British car industry going to die?

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Investment fallen from £2.5bn a year to £180m(ish). link link

Not looking good out there.
 
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The British car industry died about fifty years ago.

Prtobably long before that. Apart from a few badly built stupidly expensive "specialist super cars" which 99.999% of the UK population cannot afford, we haven't had a "british" car industry for a long long time.
 
It still employs 186,000 people, with another 800,000 jobs supporting the industry.
Almost a million people are watching their industry and career sitting on the brink of collapse. That is going to hurt the whole country if it happens.
 
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if we put aside the obvious employment rights are far far worse in the uk than other eu countries so unless the financial case is very strong in a down turn the uk jobs are in a weak position
 
if we put aside the obvious employment rights are far far worse in the uk than other eu countries so unless the financial case is very strong in a down turn the uk jobs are in a weak position

Employment rights are a 2 way street -the more benefits that employees have, the less jobs will be available. Loads of small companies dont employ young women because of the cost of maternity pay.

The UK does exceed EU rules in some case on Employment.....


From reality check:
Let's start with paid leave. Some voices on the Remain side, such as the Trades Union Congress (TUC), have warned that holiday pay would be at risk if the UK decided to leave the EU.

Workers in the UK are entitled to five weeks and three days of paid holiday a year (including public holidays). The Working Time Regulations of 1998 guarantee four weeks of paid leave as a European minimum. But for 35 years before joining the EU, the UK had legislation on paid holidays, so this is unlikely to be affected. You can read more about this here.

Other voices on the Remain side have repeatedly linked benefits such as women's rights to EU membership. For example, the right of part-time workers to join occupational pension schemes was determined by rulings of the European Court of Justice (ECJ), which found that excluding them constituted indirect sex discrimination.

Find out more here about why we said that the EU had been influential in guaranteeing women's rights in the workplace - but they would not necessarily be in jeopardy if the UK left the EU.

It's also fair to say that the UK has, on some occasions, gone further than the EU in guaranteeing workers' rights, for example, in the case of maternity leave.

The 52 weeks of statutory maternity leave in the UK is considerably longer than the 14 weeks guaranteed by EU law. Of this, a period of 40 weeks is available for shared parental leave.

One controversial aspect of EU employment regulation is the EU's Working Time Directive. Some want to limit its application, which governs the hours employees in the EU can be asked to work. This must not exceed 48 hours on average, including any overtime. The Open Europe think-tank has listed it as the third most costly EU regulation.


I think the best way for small businesses to operate is to not employ anybody at all -just subcontract out work as needed, like bookeeping services etc.

Small companies that have had an employee dispute that goes to a tribunal often go bankrupt -tribunal fines and legal fees can run often to £80k.

Like a lot of stuff in politics, the detail is more nuanced than the headline.

Certainly leaving the EU does risk moving more to an American model, but I dont see regulations being simply scrapped wholesale -provided there is a decent opposition party....
 
True, but they are not really part of this country - they live in their own little ivory towers.
 
True, but they are not really part of this country - they live in their own little ivory towers.
But many quitters also believe that whilst they may not live in 'ivory towers' they can still look down on 'certain people' in this country because they have that ignorant 'little englander' mentality!

Such a shame they're about to get shafted :LOL:
 
True, but they are not really part of this country - they live in their own little ivory towers.


Some people do. Different schools to keep them apart, sense of entitlement, gated homes, curious habits of dress, respect no-one...

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Yep. We failed to tax aristocracy to death. Maybe the French approach is now needed?
 
It still employs 186,000 people, with another 800,000 jobs supporting the industry.
Almost a million people are watching their industry and career sitting on the brink of collapse. That is going to hurt the whole country if it happens.

We didn't have a car industry in Edwardian times, and we don't need one now. The Brexiteers Economist Minford said we should let Industry perish. The same bozos on here who cry we don't make enough of our stuff are happy to let Industry perish because of Brexit.

 
Manufactuing big steel objects is a 19th-20th century anachronism. This is 21st century Britain, we should be doing 21st century jobs with 21st century technology. Leave the mining, smelting, dying, harvestings and machining to developing countries.
 
Building cars is not mining and smelting.

Harvestings? You mean we should abandon agriculture? What will we eat?
 
Building cars is not mining and smelting.
It's machining and assembling on a production line. It's your father's sort of job. What's next, bemoaning the loss of the steam engine industry?

Harvestings? You mean we should abandon agriculture? What will we eat?
Um, all the food the rest of the planet produces... There are countries out there with farms the size of Wales.
 
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