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Why we need the EU
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I can see how that would seem a reasonable conclusion.
You have 2 statements, the 2 seem connected but in fact are separated by the complication oftrade agreements.
Take a very simple example:
Say we leave the EU by means of the withdrawal agreement.
Then we enter trade negotiations.
So we say to the EU, we want a free trade deal.
France will say, no unless you give your fishing righfs.
So we agree....
Spain will, then say, we also want your fishing waters and Gibraltar.
What can we do?
Weve left the EU we have no negotiating power. So all of these things we currently have, will be up for grabs.
Its the same for the rest of the world.
India will say great we want a free trade deall, but we want no immigration restrictions to UK
America we say, we want you to do what say in regards to Iran, Russia, China.
Trade deals arent built over night, they are years and years of power play between nations, until a compromise is reached.
Experts in the field of international trade negotiations agree, Brexit wont create opportunities, it will just rip up existing trade alliances where weve been through all these power struggles and place the UK in a very very weak position.
A country simply cant go to a position of zero trade arrangements and think it has negotiating power.
Who do you think is in the best position for doing good trade deals...
A nation of 65 million people, or the world's biggest trading bloc comprising of (post brexit) 445 million people?
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You know that is incorrect.
what I post is based on verifiable information.
what you post is based on your emotion -ie devoid of research.
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durhamplumber
Deluded dik
Same argument. You think we have no negotiating power. I think you’re plain wrong on that.
Every non EU country will be keen to do a deal with us that gives access to our markets and it seems that lots of people from other countries want to study, work and live here.
That gives us a very strong negotiating hand.
Why do you keep doing us down?
The answer to that is the former. A nation of 65 million, the 5th biggest economy in the world, that imports more than it exports, that is an attractive country to study, work and live in, and lastly, has the ability to agree independent trade deals that are tailored to its specific circumstances that won’t take 7 years to agree and is a lot easier to achieve a deal with.
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I agree completely that the UK will have a huge hole that needs filling. The least important trade partners will agree the most swiftly on a deal, because there will be less to lose from both sides. The real crunch will be those countries that the UK will need to take up the slack from the EU fall-out.
These bread and butter deals will take many years of tiresome negotiations and the UK public will need to have the stomach for it. The question is, will we want to revert back to the comfort of the EU or thrash it out for possibly a decade or more of wearisome 'talks'..?
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Freely means what? You can't trade with them now?
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More straw man argument. No one is saying we will have no negotiating power just less. You keep on repeating this straw man argument. Why?
These people who want to work and study here can do so already. What EU rules restricts non EU people from entering the UK?
You are just repeating the same wrong and tired arguments.
Freely means agreeing our own relationships with those countries, which I am pretty confident will mean lower tariffs and greater trade.
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The Tories have a trump card, slash tariffs on 87% of goods to zero thus negating the need to sign FTA and then hope to God that other countries follow suit. Great Negotiators.
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Which countries? Sure tariffs are one area but what about non tariffs barriers.
So we could get a better deal on our own with say Japan. More fantasy.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I am confident we will have greater negotiating power as an independent nation. I keep repeating this to counter the opposite (wrong and tired in my view
) argument from the remainer contingent. Crux of it is, we’re leaving. Like it or not. Stop doing a ‘May’ , get behind our country and stop unnecessarily talking us down.
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