Why we need the EU

Which countries? Sure tariffs are one area but what about non tariffs barriers.

So we could get a better deal on our own with say Japan. More fantasy.
Agreed on Japan. Japan has done a free trade deal with the Eu. Which is why Honda is shutting it’s Swindon factory in the uk who were previously a customer of mine.

We will get a very quick free trade deal with Japan in my opinion. It’s the rest of the world that the EU doesn’t have free trade deals with that we will be able to take quick advantage of.

All this talk of us being minnows (which we’re not). Look at the success of Hong Kong and Singapore.
 
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. I am confident we will have greater negotiating power as an independent nation. I keep repeating this to counter the opposite (wrong and tired in my view :) ) argument from the remainer contingent.

Crux of it is, we’re leaving. Like it or not. Stop doing a ‘May’ , get behind our country and stop unnecessarily talking us down.

Sorry but thats utter fantasy (nicest way to express this). The fact you have to resport to quips like "talking us down" shows you have no other argument than to appeal to patriotism.

You have not povided one bit of economic or trade evidence to back up your point.
 
Freely means agreeing our own relationships with those countries, which I am pretty confident will mean lower tariffs and greater trade.
Possibly.

Looking at it from an objective standpoint would say that the UK is fresh out of a restrictive shackle EU deal and is ripe to trade with other nations. Other nations should be keen to deal.

Another view would suggest that nations that have trade deals in place, because they have been haggling for the past fifty years, will be glad to have another country on board but be wary of more years long talks - but look, the UK is desperate to trade, shall we exploit...?
 
Agreed on Japan. Japan has done a free trade deal with the Eu. Which is why Honda is shutting it’s Swindon factory in the uk who were previously a customer of mine.

We will get a very quick free trade deal with Japan in my opinion. It’s the rest of the world that the EU doesn’t have free trade deals with that we will be able to take quick advantage of.

All this talk of us being minnows (which we’re not). Look at the success of Hong Kong and Singapore.

Ah Now I get it, your pushing the totally debunked Singapore / Hong Kong on the Thames model.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/12/boris-johnsons-real-agenda-the-singapore-scenario/

You are another Free Market loony.

"Hostility to EU regulation is merely a surrogate target for hostility to regulation in general,"
 
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Yes both you and durhamplumber think facts are nonsense.

That we're not far behind Germany but in front of Russia ? A 'Fact ' of the pie chart ? In front of Russia !!!!!! If the pie chart is true ...then it really is nonsensical but you can't see that 'Fact ' as being relevant can you.

Regarding Brexit there is no facts only speculation, But one fact ....out means not being under the domain of the EU now that's a great FACT.
 
Sorry but thats utter fantasy (nicest way to express this). The fact you have to resport to quips like "talking us down" shows you have no other argument than to appeal to patriotism.

You have not povided one bit of economic or trade evidence to back up your point.
Let me give you a specific example. My company buys lots of electrical components that we use in our products. Most is made in China but we buy from distributors who’s distribution comes via the Eu. We are being approached on an almost daily basis by new suppliers who have set up distribution routes direct from China, missing out the EU parent company. Their raison d’être is to cushion the brexit shock and prevent supply problems whilst we go through the brexit turmoil.

Not only will this supply route protect us from brexit shortage, we’re also getting cost downs by missing out the EU middleman.

With great change comes great opportunity.
 
Ah Now I get it, your pushing the totally debunked Singapore / Hong Kong on the Thames model.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/12/boris-johnsons-real-agenda-the-singapore-scenario/

You are another Free Market loony.

"Hostility to EU regulation is merely a surrogate target for hostility to regulation in general,"
No, I live in the real world and am having to plan ahead personally and professionally for what will happen when we leave the EU.

I can not afford to have 140 people with nothing to do waiting for material deliveries. We have contingency plans in place to cover brexit day and 12 months after if we leave without a deal.

I am excited by the future, not lamenting what we’ve lost.
 
Let me give you a specific example. My company buys lots of electrical components that we use in our products. Most is made in China but we buy from distributors who’s distribution comes via the Eu. We are being approached on an almost daily basis by new suppliers who have set up distribution routes direct from China, missing out the EU parent company. Their raison d’être is to cushion the brexit shock and prevent supply problems whilst we go through the brexit turmoil.

Not only will this supply route protect us from brexit shortage, we’re also getting cost downs by missing out the EU middleman.

With great change comes great opportunity.

Whats stopping you from using the direct suppliers right now?

Why did you use the EU middlemen before?

What significance is there of them being in the EU have?

With the falling pound...
 
. I am confident we will have greater negotiating power as an independent nation

I am sorry, but you are appealing to your emotion, not the real situation.
Also please note, I said the UK would have no power in the event of a no deal.
Similar though applied in the case of the WA

A "no-deal" exit would mean that legal arrangements covering many aspects of everyday life would abruptly cease to apply.

. At the moment Britain trades with the rest of the world as an EU member. Under “no deal”, some 40 existing trade agreements fully or partly in place between the EU and dozens of countries would no longer apply to the UK

there would be “immediate changes” to procedures for businesses trading with the EU — and the details make it clear they involve more bureaucracy. The papers reveal that UK companies exporting and importing to and from the bloc face a mass of new red tape — potentially devastating for smaller firms

The biggest costs would come not from moving to new regulatory arrangements for trade, but from a partial or complete breakdown of the regulatory arrangements that make trade possible at all

UK companies exporting and importing to and from the bloc face a mass of new red tape — potentially devastating for smaller firms.

The advice goes on to say that trade under “third country” status would mean customs declarations, upfront VAT payments, and higher costs. Some firms may need export licences which could bring delays, or to employ customs brokers


You need to be questioning:
1) The cost to UK business of the new red tape.
2) The damage created while new systems and procedures are put in place
3) most importantly why do you think the UK would have any negotiating power following a no deal? -it has to have deals done, other countries know that, they can
4) why do think the UK would have power in event of a WA -the sequencing has taken any power.
 
No, I live in the real world and am having to plan ahead personally and professionally for what will happen when we leave the EU.

I can not afford to have 140 people with nothing to do waiting for material deliveries. We have contingency plans in place to cover brexit day and 12 months after if we leave without a deal.

I am excited by the future, not lamenting what we’ve lost.

Backtracking I see. You see the slashing of regulations as an opportunity - these third world countries really are economic powerhouses with their lack of regulation and standards.
 
From the link I posted above,



As Central-Eastern European migrants return home, (or refuse to come to the UK for the wages and conditions on offer) both of which increasingly they appear to be doing, UK nationals will need to be ‘persuaded’ to accept those low-paid ‘3D’ (dirty, dangerous, and demeaning) jobs that they had previously rejected. The ‘Singapore scenario’ applied to the UK would mandate a downgrading of current welfare and labour standards in a massive recalibration of labour expectations of the domestic labour force. Such a recalibration would be achieved by a radical shrinking of what remains of the welfare state, combined with a raft of ‘incentives’ to accept whatever jobs are on offer.
 
All this talk of us being minnows (which we’re not). Look at the success of Hong Kong and Singapore

They didnt go from having 759 trade arrangements around the world to 0 overnight. Nor did they lose overnight £280b of frictionless trade -UK business run their business model based on EU supply chains -they arent set up for border checks.

You say you dont like the complications to your business due to EU regulations, yet you are saying you want a whole load more checks and paperwork that the UK simply hasnt prepared for.
 
Backtracking I see. You see the slashing of regulations as an opportunity - these third world countries really are economic powerhouses with their lack of regulation and standards.
No backtracking. There will be no slashing of regulation. We’re far too sophisticated a country for that to happen.

I see change as an opportunity. I see flexibility and agility as an opportunity. I see new global trade opportunities as a far more attractive proposition than being shackled to the ponderous EU.
 
They didnt go from having 759 trade arrangements around the world to 0 overnight. Nor did they lose overnight £280b of frictionless trade -UK business run their business model based on EU supply chains -they arent set up for border checks.

You say you dont like the complications to your business due to EU regulations, yet you are saying you want a whole load more checks and paperwork that the UK simply hasnt prepared for.
I don’t deny there will be some pain. But the medium term (2-5 years I think I said) will more than outweigh the short term pain.

I’ve enjoyed our discussions but I’m off on holiday for a week or so and won’t have internet access so won’t be able to continue our sparring for a while.

The depreciating pound has helped my exports, but that pint in the sun is going to cost a bit more :(
 
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