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Yellowhammer document released: but title changed and no15 redacted
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So its too complex for the public to digest so why was the referendum ever done.
You have just proved why the referendum was idiotic, dangerous and unecessary.
Where have i said it is too complex for the public to digest? It would appear that you have the remainer's arrogance that the people are not capable of making an educated decision. That is exactly what is frustrating so many people in this country and why i think we will see a major change in the make up of parliament, as and when we have an election.
Government produces restricted viewing documentation all the time and it should remain exactly that. I'm sure you'd be horrified if you read some of the reports on terrorist risks and activities that are not intended for the general public. Yet very view of these terrorist attacks take place and many, many more are prevented.
We don't run this country by committee and the government should be free to produce reports and documentation that is restricted viewed without being concerned about how and individual document will be received when read in isolation by the general public who are not party to the detailed context and do not have specialised knowledge.
The only reason that this document has been released is because we don't have a properly functioning government.
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The context being Brexit.
Which the public have proven they were not educated on the issues. Singapore-on-the-Thames anyone?
So conflating with unrelated issues such as terrorism which may have ongoing investigations.
So a public can make a decision on an issue that requires specialised knowledge which they do not have.
Again, proves why the referndum was idiotic.
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Remainers arrogance -really
Remainers dont want the country to be damaged, they dont want people to lose jobs.
Maybe you should look at the arrogance of Johnson, who thinks he can blatantly about the reason for prorogation.
Or maybe you should look at Rees Mogg for lying about trading under WTO
Or maybe you should look at Gove for lying that yellowhammer was out of date.
Thats different from a government restricting the publication of a document that would be damning to their plan on proceedibg with a no deal.
No deal is all about the Tory government trying to keep power.
It has nothing to do with doing what is best for the country.
It is not the will of the people, it is the will of the entitled elite screwing over the public for personal gain.
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"The government last night published its official Yellowhammer assessment of what could happen to the UK economy and society in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Ministers insist this is a “worst-case scenario”, despite clear indications that it is Whitehall’s “base case.” In any event, it still makes grim reading.
A no-deal Brexit would mean major delays at Dover, widespread protests, travel disruption and potential shortages of food, medicines and fuel. On a normal day, any one of these details would make a major headline. It says much about how Brexit has fatigued the public that people seem to take such dire projections in their stride.
The main argument coming from Michael Gove, the government’s no-deal Brexit chief, this morning is that the document was drawn up on August 2 and is now out of date.
As he said today: “Over the course of the last six weeks, this government has taken considerable steps in order to ensure that, if there is a no-deal scenario, we can leave in the safest and smoothest possible way.”
Mr Gove is certainly putting much more effort into no-deal planning than any of his predecessors.
But the central question remains: Is it really conceivable that, in just a matter of weeks, civil servants have done enough work seriously to mitigate all these scenarios?
As Giles Wilkes, a former Number 10 official under Theresa May, tweets today: “If you have thoughts to spare, spare them for Cabinet Office staff being asked to recalculate all the Yellowhammer risks on the assumption that a month of feverish meeting and planning might fundamentally change how a two trillion pound economy behaves in a crisis.”"
If you have tears to shed, prepare to shed them now.
Who will the Brexers blame? Anyone but themselves.
"The government last night published its official Yellowhammer assessment of what could happen to the UK economy and society in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Ministers insist this is a “worst-case scenario”, despite clear indications that it is Whitehall’s “base case.” In any event, it still makes grim reading.
A no-deal Brexit would mean major delays at Dover, widespread protests, travel disruption and potential shortages of food, medicines and fuel. On a normal day, any one of these details would make a major headline. It says much about how Brexit has fatigued the public that people seem to take such dire projections in their stride.
The main argument coming from Michael Gove, the government’s no-deal Brexit chief, this morning is that the document was drawn up on August 2 and is now out of date.
As he said today: “Over the course of the last six weeks, this government has taken considerable steps in order to ensure that, if there is a no-deal scenario, we can leave in the safest and smoothest possible way.”
Mr Gove is certainly putting much more effort into no-deal planning than any of his predecessors.
But the central question remains: Is it really conceivable that, in just a matter of weeks, civil servants have done enough work seriously to mitigate all these scenarios?
As Giles Wilkes, a former Number 10 official under Theresa May, tweets today: “If you have thoughts to spare, spare them for Cabinet Office staff being asked to recalculate all the Yellowhammer risks on the assumption that a month of feverish meeting and planning might fundamentally change how a two trillion pound economy behaves in a crisis.”"
If you have tears to shed, prepare to shed them now.
Who will the Brexers blame? Anyone but themselves.
I can't be bothered to respond to all of the above, but i find that allegation of Johnson's so called arrogance for daring to prorogue parliament interesting.Remainers arrogance -really
Remainers dont want the country to be damaged, they dont want people to lose jobs.
Maybe you should look at the arrogance of Johnson, who thinks he can blatantly about the reason for prorogation.
Or maybe you should look at Rees Mogg for lying about trading under WTO
Or maybe you should look at Gove for lying that yellowhammer was out of date.
Remainer MP's have been using every mechanism and parliamental instrument they can, no matter how archaic or undemocratic, to attempt to block the result of the referendum. But when Johnson uses some of the mechanisms at his disposal to try to deliver the result of the referendum, he's arrogant and a liar.
England and NI judges have decided they don't have the right to get involved in prorogation for political purposes. Scottish judges disagree.
I look forward to the findings of the Supreme court.
Oh really
Can you point to an example where a remainer has lied to the public and withheld information?
21 MPs voted against allowing a damaging no deal to protect this country. They put the country before their careers.
They showed integrity and courage.
And you Sir call them arrogant.
Yet you applaud Johnson who is only a supporter of Brexit to further his career.
And he lied about prorogation, he lied about negotiating.
You need to stand back and have a good look at whats going on, because currently you are taking a very distorted view.
No deal is all about getting a decent deal out of the EU and following the will of the people. It is the remainer elite that are refusing to accept the result of the referendum who in their arrogance don't believe the electorate are intelligent enough to have a valid opinion.
Every government wants to keep power because they believe that they'll do a better job than the opposition. At least the conservatives are trying to deliver Brexit.
Whereas the Labour party blows with the wind and will say what ever it thinks people will vote for, no matter how inconsistent. The Lib Dems at least are consistent in their message that they want to overturn the result of the referendum and remain. As for the SNP, they're just crackers.
Every coin has two sides.
The core of your belief appears to me to be that Johnson is aiming for no deal. I think he wants a deal.
The aim of the 21 MPs you refer to is either to remain or that they have the view that a decent deal can be obtained by consent of the EU and without the threat of no deal.
My view is that the EU have demonstrated that they wish to shackle us into a subservient deal and they are not in any way benevolent.
I believe that the only way we can get a fair deal out of the EU is if they genuinely believe that they have something to lose. Consequently, we have to make them believe that we are prepared to walk away to force them to renegotiate. Validity of that view has been proven by the change in stance from the EU since Johnson came to be PM. Historically, they repeated the mantra that the deal couldn't be changed. A few weeks or the real risk of no deal and now a chink has appeared in their armour and they are discussing a renegotiation.
I believe that that Johnson does want and deal and is following the strategy described above. Yet he has no majority and there is a body of resistance in Parliament that is determined to wreck and undermine this strategy to either keep the UK in the EU or weaken our negotiating position to the point that we accept a deal that is almost the same as remaining in the EU.
With that in mind, I believe that Johnson is using whatever tools he can, including prorogation, to attempt to stymie the wreckers.
I do not think he lied about prorogation and i do not think he's lied about negotiating.
I also think that if we cannot get a deal out of the EU before Brexit and we leave with no deal, a deal will be forthcoming fairly quickly afterwards. Yet we may have to risk leaving with no deal for that to be the case.
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What Buffoon wants, is to be Prime Minister.
Brexit or Remain, Deal or No-deal, are frivolous details to him. He is not a committed Brexer. He is a committed Johnsoner.
He is using and abusing whatever tools he can to cling on as PM.
Including our Queen.
Including the break-up of the United Kingdom
Buffoon is a notorious liar. He lies about everything. Your touching belief is based on nothing but unfounded hope.
A very likeable chap though nonetheless.
What are your thoughts on Gina Miller? George Soros's puppet?, married to Mr Hedge Fund, manages a massive fund financed by Soros and registered in Bermuda to avoid tax.
What is the difference between the appeals to superior courts and second or third referendums?
They are not like an apparent criminal appealing with fresh evidence or disputing technicalities, but merely hoping for a different ruling that suits them.
Why did they not go to the supreme court first and save all the previous fees and costs involved?
Or, depending on the verdict, sack the lower court judges who got it wrong.
It is just going to be some people's opinions, after all, isn't it?
I know that's not how it works but it shows how flawed is the system.
Also, depending on the verdict, The Queen, and/or her advisers, might have got it wrong, rendering her weekly involvement even more pointless than it always has been.
They are not like an apparent criminal appealing with fresh evidence or disputing technicalities, but merely hoping for a different ruling that suits them.
Why did they not go to the supreme court first and save all the previous fees and costs involved?
Or, depending on the verdict, sack the lower court judges who got it wrong.
It is just going to be some people's opinions, after all, isn't it?
I know that's not how it works but it shows how flawed is the system.
Also, depending on the verdict, The Queen, and/or her advisers, might have got it wrong, rendering her weekly involvement even more pointless than it always has been.
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