Removing teleswitch

JohnD said:
AFAIK that's been standard practice for years (for ever?) ... they know the meter has two registers, so they they take both readings, calculate both usages, and add them together to find your total usage.
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That's obviously the sensible course, hence 'how it should be', but I have to say that our experiences appear to differ. Over the years/decades, I've known quite a lot of people who have moved from E7 to a single-rate tariff (usually when they have got rid of storage heaters) and in virtually all cases the supplier has reacted by (totally unnecessarily) replacing their dual-rate meter with a single rate one.

Mind you, 'smart' meters have changed all this. Relatively 'dumb' though they seem to be, the one thing they do offer is multiple time-dependent metering registers, so the issue of what tariff one is paying for becomes rather moot.

Kind Regards, John
 
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eta said:
I have been involved in a friend who has recently replaced all the storage night heaters with normal heaters from Fischer heating, so she is now looking at the best electric supply.
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Oh dear, best of luck with that - big mistake. They are the miracle heaters which defy the laws of physics.
 
I spoke to Western power who've advised the radio teleswitch is not their responsibility it is the suppliers

Spoke to the existing supplier who want £150 to remove the teleswitch spoke to a potential new supplier who quoted the same for the privilege of removing a radio teleswitch!

I understand once removed it will just stick to the one day rate?

Looking at the siemans unit above the teleswitch it provides two readings, I'm assuming once the teleswitch is removed it will just show one reading?

I've spoken to the electrician who is still more than happy to remove it for me

Not sure what to do!
 
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ash1212002 said:
I've spoken to the electrician who is still more than happy to remove it for me

Not sure what to do!
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He may be happy to do it, he may well be technically competent to do it, but the problem still remains - it isn't your property to interfere with!

I know its not the answer you want to hear, but there is only one organisation who can remove it - the meter operator. It is their property & their responsibility. If you want it gone, your gonna have to stump your £150.

If you don't, and your electrician makes it "disappear", you may have some very difficult questions to answer in the future.
 
If your electrician (wrongly) states that he should remove it himself, then why do you want an isolator fitted,

or

why not put the isolator somewhere else?
 
ash1212002 said:
Spoke to the existing supplier who want £150 to remove the teleswitch spoke to a potential new supplier who quoted the same for the privilege of removing a radio teleswitch! ....
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Did you tell them that you would be looking for a single-rate tariff? As I've said, if you do then there is a fair chance that they would change the meter to one which has no provision to connect a teleswitch - so they would have little choice but to remove it!
ash1212002 said:
I understand once removed it will just stick to the one day rate? ... Looking at the siemans unit above the teleswitch it provides two readings, I'm assuming once the teleswitch is removed it will just show one reading?
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Yes and Yes - but, as I've said a few times, in my experience suppliers tend to replace it with a single-rate meter.

If you have no problem with having a 'smart' meter (some people do have problems!), then you could tell them that you'd like one (which they would presumably install for no charge) - and, again, that would have no provision for connecting a teleswitch.

P.S - you presumably would not want to have the teleswitch removed (by anyone) until you cease to be on an E7 tariff, since that would have an adverse effect on your bills!

Kind Regards, John
 
JohnW2 said:
Did you tell them that you would be looking for a single-rate tariff? As I've said, if you do then there is a fair chance that they would change the meter to one which has no provision to connect a teleswitch - so they would have little choice but to remove it!
Yes and Yes - but, as I've said a few times, in my experience suppliers tend to replace it with a single-rate meter.

If you have no problem with having a 'smart' meter (some people do have problems!), then you could tell them that you'd like one (which they would presumably install for no charge) - and, again, that would have no provision for connecting a teleswitch.

P.S - you presumably would not want to have the teleswitch removed (by anyone) until you cease to be on an E7 tariff, since that would have an adverse effect on your bills!

Kind Regards, John
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I asked for a single rate tariff, they advised there is no need to remove the teleswitch as all they would do is combine both of the readings to give me a single reading rate. Hence the charge of £150

I don't want the electrician to do anything that is untoward as it'll only come back on me if something were to arise

He suggested to remove the teleswitch which would then provide sufficient space to fit an isolator. There is no where else it can be placed.

It's been mentioned the teleswitch has an isolator so I may aswell keep the unit and combine both readings to get the one reading as advised by the supplier

Or alternatively risk it get the electrician to remove it and get him to fit a single phase meter!?
 
ash1212002 said:
I asked for a single rate tariff, they advised there is no need to remove the teleswitch as all they would do is combine both of the readings to give me a single reading rate. Hence the charge of £150
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Fair enough - so they are being 'sensible' about the meter. Whether £150 is reasonable is, I suppose, debatable, but one doesn't get much done for much less than that these days if somebody has to be 'called out'
ash1212002 said:
It's been mentioned the teleswitch has an isolator so I may aswell keep the unit and combine both readings to get the one reading as advised by the supplier
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I presume you mean the meter, not the teleswitch (which you want to be removed, anyway).
ash1212002 said:
Or alternatively risk it get the electrician to remove it and get him to fit a single phase meter!?
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You presumably mean a single rate meter - but that is most certainly something that an electrician cannot, under any circumstances, install.

Kind Regards, John
 
ash1212002 said:
Or alternatively risk it get the electrician to remove it and get him to fit a single phase meter!?
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That really would get you deep in the smelly brown stuff.
I will repeat what you have been told several times already - this is not your equipment to fiddle with<period>
If you do (or allow your electrician to do it), then it puts you in breach of your supply agreement. In extreme, you could have your supply disconnected, or you could find yourself in court. At the very least, you could find yourself with some awkward questions to answer.
Separate to that, if your electrician does fiddle with any of it, he's committing a criminal offence under H&S and other laws as he is not authorised to be doing so. if the meter didn't have an isolator, then to fit one he'd either need to work live (very dangerous and also illegal for him), or pull the main fuse (which he isn't allowed to do and could get you in trouble later).

Also, strictly speaking, you are not allowed to install any of your own equipment on that board - it is there solely for the DNO and your energy supplier to place their equipment.

As the current meter already has an isolator, then have your electrician just use that. If the supplier comes and changes the meter in the future, then insist they either use a meter with inbuilt isolator, or provide one as part of the job. When I asked for an isolator to be fitted, it was done FOC - presumably because they'd rather do that than deal with the alternatives such as people fiddling with their equipment.
 
SimonH2 said:
Also, strictly speaking, you are not allowed to install any of your own equipment on that board - it is there solely for the DNO and your energy supplier to place their equipment.
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You are allowed a means of isolation on the same board..
 
SimonH2 said:
.... If the supplier comes and changes the meter in the future, then insist they either use a meter with inbuilt isolator, or provide one as part of the job. When I asked for an isolator to be fitted, it was done FOC - presumably because they'd rather do that than deal with the alternatives such as people fiddling with their equipment.
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That is precisely what happened with me. I even offered to provide the isolator (of a type which they specified) but they said that was not necessary, and didn't charge me a penny for either parts or labour.

I also imagine that they probably would not these days install a meter which utilised an external timeswitch of teleswitch - so, as with the first time they installed an electronic meter here, they removed and took away the external timeswitch, again at no charge.

Kind Regards, John
 
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