Removing teleswitch
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The transmitter is not the BBCs to repair or even to decide that. All BBC transmitters were sold off around 20 years ago.
It's not for the BBC to repair, I agree, but I think that they must have a lot of 'say' in relation to the decision making.
It must have been a contractually complex 'sale', given that the BBC had a long-term need to use the services of at least most of the transmitters. I would therefore imagine that the contractual arrangements will have given the BBC quite a lot of 'say', particularly in relation to decisions as to if/when any of the transmitters are to be taken out of service.
Kind Regards, John
More to the point, when Arquiva tell the BBC "It's bust, cost to fix is £x00k" the BBC are likely to say no. Arquiva won't repair it if no-one is going to pay.
Guven what's been said, it sounds like there will be something along those lines in the contract.
Guven what's been said, it sounds like there will be something along those lines in the contract.
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I'm not sure that the BBC would be allowed to say no to repairing it, theres more at stake than just the time signal, the presence of a radio 4 signal is one of a number (I presume) indications that the whole country hasn't been wiped off the map
https://www.businessinsider.com/bbc-radio-show-may-be-preventing-nuclear-apocalypse-2018-8
https://www.businessinsider.com/bbc-radio-show-may-be-preventing-nuclear-apocalypse-2018-8
Well, as I said/implied, it depends entirely upon the contract. I somewhat doubt that the deal is such that the BBC would have to pay in full (maybe not even 'at all', or 'much') to keep the transmitters (most of which they very much need to stay running) working.
Since I have no idea about the contractual arrangements or terms, I just don't know.
Kind REgards, John
I’m not sure it is even Arquiva now, the transmitters have been resold at least once. But surely the BBC is paying for a service. If it breaks it is up to the owner to fix or replace or default on the contract. Solid state LW transmitters are available now, Algeria recently fitted one. The RTE LW transmitter in Ireland has recently been off air for repairs so there is no reason Droitwich could not be repaired or replaced.
Maybe - but as I've been saying, it depends totally on the contract.
It's not impossible that the BBC has agreed to contribute towards repair/replacement, over and above what it pays for provision and management of the service. It's also not impossible that the BBC are free to say that (maybe in return for a more reasonable 'usage' charge) they don't particularly want/need a particularly 'time expired' transmitter repaired/replaced if it dies.
If someone did a deal with me to provide just me with a particular service (and bear all the costs of repair/replacement) which relied on equipment in the late stages of its life, I would expect them to charge me quite heavily for that service.
Kind Regards, John
The BBC have said that when it breaks, they'll just retire R4 LW. The lecky industry have made separate arrangements to extend support for teleswitch - but according to the Wikipedia page, IIRC that's been extended and expired.
Just having the teleswitch signal (on it's own rather than part of the R4 signal) would be a cost - and I doubt that anyone wants to pay for it.
Just having the teleswitch signal (on it's own rather than part of the R4 signal) would be a cost - and I doubt that anyone wants to pay for it.
There are 2 other LW transmitters in Scotland, also on 198kHz, operating in sync. So what will happen to these if Droitwich fails I wonder.
They have, and I suspect that reflects their contract.
In other words, I suspect that, by contractually agreeing that they will 'retire' their need for it if/when the (ageing) transmitter dies, they are probably paying a lot less for use of the Droitwich transmitter than would be the case if the owner was contracted to keep the service going 'indefinitely' - or something like that.
Kind Regards, John
Spoke to someone else at shell energy they've offered to remove the economy 7 meter/radio teleswitch FOC result! 
It will take up to 20 days for an engineer to visit and install a single phase meter
Out of interest, how will the supplier isolate the mains are they allowed to pull out the fuse?
It will take up to 20 days for an engineer to visit and install a single phase meter
Out of interest, how will the supplier isolate the mains are they allowed to pull out the fuse?
Single rate - or tariff - meter.
Yes, they are allowed to pull the fuse. That's what they do.
Yes, they are allowed to pull the fuse. That's what they do.
They will send a "qualified"* meter fitter who is both trained and authorised to pull the main fuse and to reseal it afterwards. The difference here being that the suppliers (or rather, the meter operators they contract in many cases) are authorised to break seals and remove the main fuse, and are trained in how to do it safely. Most importantly, they will (or at least should) have been trained in how to spot the problem cutouts that need the DNO in to deal with - some of them pose a real blast risk
As I mentioned before, call the back to confirm that they will either fit another meter with isolation facility, or a separate isolator. As long as they do that, your electrician is free to switch off the power at that isolator while he works on the tails.
And also as previously mentioned, it is not "single phase", it is "single rate". Your existing meter is single phase It may sound picky, but getting the terminology right helps to avoid confusion.
* I put "qualified" in the quotes as while they are actually qualified, it seems that quite a few meter fitters have almost been dragged in off the street and put through a few days of training - such is the demand for fitters with the "smart" meter rollout.
As I mentioned before, call the back to confirm that they will either fit another meter with isolation facility, or a separate isolator. As long as they do that, your electrician is free to switch off the power at that isolator while he works on the tails.
And also as previously mentioned, it is not "single phase", it is "single rate". Your existing meter is single phase
It may sound picky, but getting the terminology right helps to avoid confusion.* I put "qualified" in the quotes as while they are actually qualified, it seems that quite a few meter fitters have almost been dragged in off the street and put through a few days of training - such is the demand for fitters with the "smart" meter rollout.
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