Leadership debate 19 Nov 8.00pm Itv

Notch7 · 19 Nov 2019

Ihavenojob said:
So humans born from now on won't exhale co2 ? You do talk sh1t. If one person emits approx 700 grams per day, how much will 2 people emit , more, less or the same?

trees absorb more Co2 than we exhale.

carbon neutral has no implication on people breathing.

fillyboy · 19 Nov 2019

Notch7 said:
trees absorb more Co2 than we exhale.

carbon neutral has no implication on people breathing.

Isn't it fair to say that some people spout more Co2 than others?

Ihavenojob · 19 Nov 2019

Notch7 said:
trees absorb more Co2 than we exhale.

carbon neutral has no implication on people breathing.

Agree in part, but to be anywhere near carbon neutral the amount of trees to be planted would be enormous, and the more people , the more trees needed, so humans breathing will have an effect. Perhaps when farmers are no longer paid not to grow crops, they could plant acres of trees, and the government pay them per acre for co2 absorption.

JP_ · 19 Nov 2019

Ihavenojob said:
when farmers are no longer paid not to grow crops, they could plant acres of trees

All carbon based lifeforms contain carbon, not just trees. That means all life on earth, especially "high carb" staples like wheat, rice, potatoes ...

Notch7 · 19 Nov 2019

fillyboy said:
Isn't it fair to say that some people spout more Co2 than others?

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motorbiking · 19 Nov 2019

ellal said:
Massive cuts to services and the welfare state is fact not opinion.
That these cuts were instigated by tory led governments is fact not opinion...

The leave campaign lied about the amount of money that went to the EU, and claimed that it could help in a major way to solve the 'problems'.
Migration from the EU was also blamed for lowering incomes.
These are also facts, not opinions...

And now every expert (including government ones) are telling us that any form of Brexit will make things worse (although the government ones won't admit by how much), but people are preparing to vote for it in a GE based on those lies, not the facts!

what you said was

Quitters blamed the EU for their ills, but it was tory austerity and their ideological policies that were actually the cause...

which is completely different and opinion.

but people are preparing to vote for it in a GE based on those lies, not the facts!

again.. opinion.

You only really know why you vote for what you vote for.

I could just as easily say its fact that "tory Austerity" was caused by Labours out of control spending and waste. Its Fact, I say.

except its not - its my opinion.

Notch7 · 19 Nov 2019

Ihavenojob said:
Agree in part, but to be anywhere near carbon neutral the amount of trees to be planted would be enormous, and the more people , the more trees needed, so humans breathing will have an effect. Perhaps when farmers are no longer paid not to grow crops, they could plant acres of trees, and the government pay them per acre for co2 absorption.

The carbon dioxide we exhale does not contribute to global warming for the simple reason that we also take up an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide from the air, albeit indirectly

Ihavenojob · 19 Nov 2019

Notch7 said:
The carbon dioxide we exhale does not contribute to global warming for the simple reason that we also take up an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide from the air, albeit indirectly

So you're saying we are carbon neutral ?

EFLImpudence · 19 Nov 2019

Notch7 said:
The carbon dioxide we exhale does not contribute to global warming for the simple reason that we also take up an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide from the air, albeit indirectly

That doesn't make sense.

JP_ · 19 Nov 2019

Ihavenojob said:
So you're saying we are carbon neutral ?

that's what i said.

EFLImpudence said:
That doesn't make sense.

yes it does. All the carbon we exhale must come from food we grow, and by growing food, we take carbon from the air.
However, industrialised food production is not carbon neutral - if we were all hunter gatherers still it would be OK.

Fact for the day: Eating all locally grown food for one year could save the GHG equivalent of driving 1,000 miles, while eating a vegetarian meal one day a week could save the equivalent of driving 1,160 miles.

So, everybody can make a difference. Go one day a week without meat and you will help save the world. Buy local from the farm shops, and again, help save the world.

EFLImpudence · 19 Nov 2019

jonbey said:
yes it does. All the carbon we exhale must come from food we grow,

That's not the same as saying we exhale ALL the carbon we eat.

Notch7 · 19 Nov 2019

EFLImpudence said:
That doesn't make sense.

Well it may have been out of context

How is it then that we don’t worry about the massive amounts of carbon dioxide that are released with every breath taken by the billions and billions of people and animals that inhabit the world? Because every atom of carbon in the exhaled carbon dioxide comes from food that was recently produced by photosynthesis. Everything we eat, save for a few inorganic components like salt, was in some way produced by photosynthesis. This is obvious when we eat plant products such as grains, fruits and vegetables, but of course it is also the case for meat. The animals that we eat were raised on plant products. Indeed, a growing animal is basically a machine that converts plants into flesh. So, since all the carbon dioxide we exhale originated in carbon dioxide captured by plants during photosynthesis, we are not disturbing the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere by breathing.

On the other hand, when we burn fossil fuels such as gasoline, we are releasing carbon dioxide that forms from carbon atoms that had been removed from the atmosphere millions and millions of years ago by photosynthesis and had then been sequestered in the coal, petroleum and natural gas that forms when plants and animals die and decay. By burning these commodities we are increasing the current levels of carbon dioxide

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/e...eath-why-not-considered-be-problem-far-global

durhamplumber · 19 Nov 2019

jonbey said:
All carbon based lifeforms contain carbon,

Well fek me

EFLImpudence · 19 Nov 2019

Notch7 said:
How is it then that we don’t worry about the massive amounts of carbon dioxide that are released with every breath taken by the billions and billions of people and animals that inhabit the world?

We do, there is concern about the number of cattle producing methane - 23 times worse that CO2.

Obviously we cannot kill off any people - although some do their best.

JP_ · 19 Nov 2019

EFLImpudence said:
That's not the same as saying we exhale ALL the carbon we eat.

No, we store some too.

People are not the problem. It is what people do that is the problem.

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