A true leader to vote for!
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Alas, he is no more, as is this fine fellow, with a good old fashioned name. Who knows what would have happened without his early demise.
Possibly the best PM we never had...Alas, he is no more, as is this fine fellow, with a good old fashioned name. Who knows what would have happened without his early demise.
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Possibly one of the last leaders who appeared to have some integrity. Jezza is a poor successor. He's about to do a Foot next month.
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Yip...bye bye Jezza...thanks for the larffffffs
I would not be to certain
He needs 40 ish seats and a deal with the SNP and he will be the PM
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I think tactical voting might well see labour in. Many people round my way will be voting lib dems again. Tories were knocked out of Chelmsford in the local elections for the first time ever, same could well happen in general election.
There is hope.
There is hope.
yep do not ask for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee I would be very surprised if that happened...
But what is sad is that people have to resort to 'tactical voting' rather than being able to vote for exactly which party they would really want to represent their views...
In effect we have ended up with a system that encourages 'negative' voting rather than 'positive' voting!
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Is it though? I am split anyway, having voted for labour and lib deb in the past. But even for labour supporters in Chelmsford, there is really little point in voting for them, other than for reasons of tradition and loyalty. The only chance of labour winning is for enough tory seats to fall, and the lib dems are much stronger as they are the "remain party", which effectively represents around 49% of voters. So a vote for liberal democrats in Chelmsford (who also now run the council) is a supporting vote for labour too. At least, that's what I am going with!
Chelmsford 2015 general election:
Tory 27,732
Labour 9,482
Lib Dem 6,394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
Chelmsford 2019 local election:
Lib Dem 39,067 - fewer votes, but won more seats.
Tory 39,766
Labour 2,327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chelmsford_City_Council_election
So, lib dems have a real chance of taking Chelmsford in the general election. Apparently labour support has fallen further.
If that was repeated in some other towns .... who knows???
Chelmsford 2015 general election:
Tory 27,732
Labour 9,482
Lib Dem 6,394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
Chelmsford 2019 local election:
Lib Dem 39,067 - fewer votes, but won more seats.
Tory 39,766
Labour 2,327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chelmsford_City_Council_election
So, lib dems have a real chance of taking Chelmsford in the general election. Apparently labour support has fallen further.
If that was repeated in some other towns .... who knows???
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durhamplumber
More chance of growing an extra cok...Is that certain enough for you?
That is exactly what I'm talking about...
Choosing a candidate best placed to defeat the candidate you don't want is negative voting...
I would like to see the tories wiped out, but I would also have to vote negatively for a candidate who I don't particularly want as a parliamentary representative.
The party they belong to I wouldn't want to form the next government either. So it will be the lesser of several evils, not my best choice!
Having lived in a couple of countries that have PR, the overall feeling seemed to be one of more inclusion in democracy as whatever the result everyone gets a part of the representation that they voted for.
Sadly in the UK, so many feel disenfranchised.
And that has not only led us to swing between mainly extremes over the years (each ideology undoing the previous ideology), but also the total mess we now find ourselves in!
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The trouble is, often people vote very differently in general and local elections.
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