Replacing Storage heaters help needed

Average adult emits about 100 watts,so just get 20 to 30 of your mates round. Toastie!
 
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There has been no great improvement in efficiency in electric heating so you can’t save any money by swopping you current set up for anything new .

Correct, many companies around suggesting they have managed to defy the laws of physics with electric heating, but its all smoke and mirrors.

Gas, Kw for Kw of heat, is around 1/3 the cost, but scores on be available without cost penalty when you actually need the heat.
 
So basically fox what your saying is that by replacing 3 of the 5 very old storage heaters that don't hold heat not even teatime and I have spent a fair few quid on having parts replaced that a new electric heater with thermostat and timer as a temp measure so you can set the heat when needed till I can afford new GHC there will be no saving ?

Grant's are a total waste of time I'm not on benefits but that was not my question or I would have applied and I wouldn't be asking.

My question was regarding changing out old knackered inefficient storage heaters. I just need something to improve my heating and cut my electric and storage maintenance bill.

I'm not sure which electric radiators to buy and were from and which are the most efficient

It was more if a product question rather than how to heat my property. I cannot afford ghc right now and I would like to watch MOTD with no jacket on
Yes no saving, cost of new kit will ensure you waste your money with virtually nill saving.
 
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Very slick. Of course the cylinder recovers quickly- there are 2 3kw immersion heaters in it.

1 joule is the energy required to raise the temperature of 1 ml of water by 1 degree centigrade. Heating 100 litres of water from 10 degrees to 65 degrees requires 55 x 100,000 joules of energy (5.5 Mj). 1 joule is 1 watt per second so those 2 heaters can deliver 6000 joules per second. So in 916 seconds (15 minutes ish) they will restore the cylinder temperature. At a cost of £0.22 (based on £0.15/kwh). Not bad. But gas costs about £0.03/kwh, so heating the same cylinder would cost £0.04. Reheating it by gas will take a bit longer (most cylinder coils are 3 kwH so it'll take 30 minutes not 15 to reheat it). How many showers do you take per year (20 litres per minute for 5 minutes is a good shower)? 1 a day? Say 2 a day. So 2 x 365 = 730. 730 x £0.12 = £87.60 more expensive on electric than on gas.

Heating. Ha. If his sample room has a heat loss of 1 kwH then you need to add 1kwH of energy every hour to maintain the temperature of that room (ignoring the energy you have to put in to increase the room temperature from ambient to comfortable). Each hour on his electric option will cost you £0.15. On gas it'll cost you £0.03. Assume your 3 bed semi has a total heat loss of 15 kwH. No, we'll go for 10 kwH, modern build, insulated, recent DG, draughtproof. Heat it for 6 hours per day (2 in the morning, 4 in the evening) in the heating season (October til March). 60kwH per day for 180 days. Electric 60 x 180 x £0.15 = £1620. Gas 60 x 180 x £0.03 = £324. For fun, lets take the electric figure and see what it costs per hour over the year. £1620/24/365- comes out as 18p per hour to heat the whole house. But that's per hour for an entire year, not just while the heating is running. His 1 room example at 1kwH 6 hours a day in heating season will come down to about 1.8p per hour. FOR EVERY HOUR IN THE YEAR TO HEAT 1 ROOM.

Unfortunately, the only magic heating option is ground source or air source heat pumps. They do reclaim heat at about 4kwH recovered for every 1kwH consumed- so still more expensive than gas while electricity is 5 times the cost per kwH than gas. Install costs are high at the moment as well (that may change but don't hold your breath).

All that stuff about flues may be true (I'm not a Gas Safe engineer so I don't know). What I do know is the fall on that bit of pipe he was waving around was a lot more than 52mm/metre. But you don't live in a block of flats so you can ignore it.

Bin off the nightstore heaters, get yourself on a better electric tarriff (I seem to remember economy 7 was a lot cheaper overnight but dearer in the daytime), buy a couple of cheapo fan heaters, use them as little as possible (dress for the weather) and put the savings towards a gas heating system.
 
Average adult emits about 100 watts,so just get 20 to 30 of your mates round. Toastie!
Why the sarcasm m8 ?, I'm asking questions about electric heaters so if you've nothing to offer then get your crayons out.
As far as I can gather by the majority of replies electric heaters don't work or will cost a fortune to run.
Those electric radiators offer no heat and they are all lying with their advertising and spec ratings.
The only thing that heats a property is gas so if you don't have gas get long Johns on (thank you for that sarcasm) or get 20-30 of your mates round.
And to those who posted sensible advise thank you very much for taking the time to reply.
Oh and Ray, when you do make Britains Got Talent make sure they take the tomatoes out the tins or in your case leave them in :)
 
The only thing that heats a property is gas

No! you can heat a property with whatever fuel you like. But whichever you choose, comes with a cost, which has to conform to a budget.

Electricity is not the cheapest and the way your home is currently wired to use that electricity is not conducive with your comfort requirements.

We are trying to suggest to you that the funds you currently have are best not wasted on products that won't work.

By all means, buy a couple of £20 fan heaters and see how you get on, but you'll soon be turning them off when you get your leccie bill and they won't satisfy your heat requirements.

One thing you can do is shop around for cheaper energy suppliers for now.

But, fast forward your GCH as quickly as you are able.
 
As far as I can gather by the majority of replies electric heaters don't work or will cost a fortune to run.

That's about it. That video was completely full of total lies. Any form of electric heating is 100% efficient, so no one form is better than any other. Paying more for those radiators rather than a simple, cheap fan heater cannot make them more than 100% efficient, but you only realise that when you buy them, by which time it is too late.

Gas is the way for most people to go for heating, because it is so much cheaper than electric heating. If you need a temporary fix, might it be worth you getting a gas fire installed for heat, then later add gas CH? Note I mean a mains gas radiant heater, not a portable gas bottle heater - they cost almost as much as electric heating and generate lots of moisture.
 
hardly any people or pets are killed by flueless fires.
 
To be honest here (as long as you don't have young children in the place) you'll be best off investing in some long johns and switching the night stores off.
If you want a warm room, those portable gas heaters that take a 15kg cylinder are much cheaper to run than any electric heater, fairly quiet and throw out a lot of heat (mine keeps an 8m x 4m room warm morning/evening for 2 months on a cylinder cost £35)
Until you can afford GCH, accept that you can't lounge around in T shirt and boxers in the winter (no shame in it, been doing it here for 2 years)

Sorry but I don't think bottled gas (butane) is any cheaper than electricity.

Don't think all the figures in this will be 100% accurate, but gives you an idea:
https://www.confusedaboutenergy.co.uk/index.php/domestic-fuels/fuel-prices


Not to mention, a bottled gas ("super ser") heater will cost nearly £100 to buy, might end up needing maintenance, you need to lug a heavy cylinder in and out the house, possibly not as safe, and worst of all, fills the room with moisture. You'd be better off with a cheap plug in electric heater.
 

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