240v worm drive saws in UK

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I want one....
Fed up of leaning over my sidewinder. Port perfectly placed for face full of dust.

My crappy parkside doesn't have visible marks on the front edge to reference the cut line.

Wish it would die so I can get a new one!

Worm drive looks soooo much more easy to use.

All the cut, all on show- if using RH.

Why are they not common here?
 
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Technically the Makitas are hypoid drive saws, not a worm drives aren't they? And possibly a grey imports, too, as Makita don't seem to list them in the UK. Want a left blade Makita saw then look to the 18 volt cordless tools where you'll find the DSS610, DSS611, DHS680 and the DRS780 models (the latter being the nearest you'll get in a cordless tool to a worm drive saw. Biggest plus of left blade saws is that it is far easier for a right handed person to see a cut line when using them, however they do.make is more likely that the operator will stand behind the saw (and in the "firing line" in the event of a kickback) when making a cut

A bit of a history lesson? As to why they never caught on here, it might just be because unlike the USA we have simply never had the massive quantities of timber framed housing here that they have in the mid west or west coast of the USA. The technique you see commonly used in the USA is to use a chalk line to mark the cut line, plonk the saw on the plywood and use the weight of the saw to keep the it in place whilst you push it across the sheet single-handed. This isn't an accurate cut, but it is fast. You can use them to make cross cuts in joists or framing timber with the help of a speed square, but TBH they are bloody heavy beasts with the weight offset to the front (where the gearbox is) so that after an hour or so of repetitive crosscutting of joists you get heartily sick of the bloody things. Even in the USA the worm drive saw was/is common on the west coast (where houses are timber framed and use a lot of plywood and OSB) whilst on the east coast (where there are a lot more brick or block houses) the "sidewinder" dominates.

BTW, it isn't for the lack of trying to introduce them here, either, with Stanley, Black & Decker, Skill, Porter-Cable and Ingersoll (nee Millers Falls) having either offered models of worm drive saw in the UK at various times from the 1940s to the early 1970s (some British made B&Ds were actually given the name "Ripsnorter"). The problem is that these saws are very heavy when set against a conventional ("sidewinder") saw and are considerably more expensive than equivalent size conventional saws, too (so one msjor reason you'd never see a DIY brand version, methinks). On top of that, though, worm drive saws are generally limited to 184 or 190mm (7-1/4in) blades which give maybe a 65mm depth of cut. That isn't much use when you want to saw 3in timber joists for which a 9in/235 mm saw (with 80 to 85mm depth of cut) is more desirable, especially if similarly priced and a tad lighter (as they were)

I'm guessing that you've never really used one of these saws. They might well have their place, but in trade terms they've been overtaken by left blade cordless saws in Europe which are better balanced for one handed use, lighter and can be used with speed squares arguably somewhat readily (at least with less fatigue). Were I to be putting ply cladding onto roofing all the time or putting down plywood sub flooring 3 days a week I could see the point, but otherwise they aren't really that wonderful

And if you are getting a face full.of dust by leaning over the saw maybe you need to look at a rail-guided plunge saw linked up to a vacuum cleaner (or even justice dust bag and a straight guide,)... BTW I actually have the Makita DRS780 and it's a powerful beast, but other than for roofing work my plunge saw/rail combination knocks it into a cocked hat for accurate sheet material cuts and BTW almost any left blade cordless saw would be lighter and better balanced for one handed work, with or without a speed square
The 780 is also just like its' corded brethren because it throws all the waste out of to the left of the blade, all over the cut line and into my face.....
 
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Thanks for the info. Pretty sure you have done far more time on saws than I have. I have owned a left bladed cordless. Not a worm drive though. It was brilliant. Very easy to see the cut.
It was light but then why can they make an equally light left sided corded saw?

Think this is beyond me.... the motor on my 240v parkside is huge, while the motor from my old cordless hitachi was tiny?

Maybe something to do with DC motors, torque, etc etc. I'm ambidextrous, but still think I want a left sided corded saw.

Right now, Toolstation nor Screwfix have a left handed corded saw. Many left sided cordless.
 
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i have a 110v #378G De walt worm drive, and an older Rockwell 110v worm drive. both corded.
the DeWalt is a superb saw for all framing activities - not least, because the weight of the saw does all the work.
and the guard is a dream in that it never jams or gets in the way no matter the angle of the cut or the position of the saw, & instantly returns to safe position - every time.
dust and chips are blasted away - never an issue.

i use the Rockwell with masonry blades for concrete, brick , & metal blades for CI or re-bar - it had had a lifetime's work before i got it years ago.
 
It was light but then why can they make an equally light left sided corded saw?

Think this is beyond me.... the motor on my 240v parkside is huge, while the motor from my old cordless hitachi was tiny?
Cordless motors are far smaller and lighter because cordless tools use rare earth magnet (generally neodymium) motors which are much smaller (but more expensive to manufacture) than conventional universal motors. But they are also lower wattage than corded motors (generally overcome at least in part by the use of smaller diameter blades of thinner kerf and lower tooth count)

Actually in the USA you can buy a limited range of left handed corded "sidewinder" saws.. I know that Porter-Cable and Bosch both sell them, but it isn't a big market for them even over there

The widespread take up of cordless tools for trade work (the one area where more expensive tools might sell) will probably mitigate against the re-introduction of niche products like corded worm drive saws in the UK anytime soon. In the USA these tools are 1.5 to 2 times the price of equivalent size blade trade rated "sidewinders" which is a big disincentive (based on prices from Skil and Bosch). The one area of exception might be for cut roof framing where the ability of worm drive type saws to cut ar a 55 to 60 degree bevel (as opposed to the 45 to 48 degrees of conventional saws) has decided advantages, although any corded saw up on a roof is a PIA to deal with making cordless the preferred option (advantage Makita and DW with their cordless framing saws?). In addition, unlike here, in the USA the plunging rail saw has nowhere near the market penetration that it has here - and if you want excellent dust extraction combined with the ability to cut dead to the line and dead straight they are far superior to worm drive saws and for many people would seem to be a better solution, especially when considering the safety aspects of the competing designs
 
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