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Yeah, support may well be around those figures because

because they've seen the slow-motion carcrash that is Brexit.

It's made the Exiters face reality and change their minds.

As you say, we haven't hit the bottom of the canyon yet.
 
e UK and EU is not defined by UK exports if that is what you are alluding to, neither should you base your assertion on just two random statistics.
They arent 2 random statistics.

48% of UK exports go to EU, ergo EU is by far our most important market

8% of EU exports go to UK -so the UK market is far less important to the EU


So 48% of all our exports goes to EU
Brexit puts trade barriers on those exports -virtually hakf of everything we export

The EU on the other hand will only face trade barriers on 8% of their exports

Customs declarations
Rules of origin checks
SpS checks
Regulatory certification issues

Businesses that do a majority of trade with EU will relocate to inside single market or close
 
Is that chlorinated math you've imported there? :rolleyes:

Are you stating that the 48% the EU imports is very important for the EU citizens and their jobs and economy. Those services, those specialist machine parts, that unique design know how that the importers know they can't get elsewhere or at a cost to make their usage viable. Are those the exports you are referring to?

Economy and trade value (ie importance) between the UK and EU is not defined by UK exports if that is what you are alluding to, neither should you base your assertion on just two random statistics.

I know the maths, perhaps you may want to review the economic arrangements as a whole and see what is important to the EU.

Ok. What is the maths?
 
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Take your blinkers off, and read and listen to the European news, the European trade press, the European diplomatic releases. Not the politically motivated stuff you would normally get your news from to support your own confirmation bias.
Do you have a link to this unbiased news please?
 
you would normally get your news from
Right wing Sky News with non stop stories about elderly gammons complaining that they have 'got Brexit done' and now are desperate to moan about Europe and Germany in particular. Lol.

Give it a rest Chief Moaning Gammon Woods.(y)
 
looking for bad news and praying for failure
I'm still waiting for you to verify your hallucination mottie…?

MOD: Fixed the quote for you. I'll consider the content and direction of the thread later.
 
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Nosey's not altering quotes again is he?

MOD: No, not that I'm aware of.
 
48% of UK exports go to EU, ergo EU is by far our most important market

8% of EU exports go to UK -so the UK market is far less important to the EU

And yet the basic facts of the trade balance are that the UK buys more from the 27 than the other way round.
The amount of exports potentially at risk from new trade barriers is greater for the 27 than for the UK boyo.
 
What do you mean? We aren't going to get a tough deal, we're going to get a great deal, with access to the Single Market and membership of the Free Trade Area, and not have to pay anything, or conform to any regulations.

Remember?

Boris Johnson, prime minister
Johnson told the Treasury select committee in March 2016: “Our relationship with the EU is already very well developed. It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed.”

Speaking at a Vote Leave event in March 2016, Johnson said: “I put it to you, all those who say that there would be barriers to trade with Europe if we were to do a Brexit, do you seriously believe that they would put up tariffs against UK produce of any kind, when they know how much they want to sell us their cake, their champagne, their cheese from France? It is totally and utterly absurd.”

In a Telegraph column published three days after the referendum result, Johnson said: “[We] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming.”

He sought to reassure remain voters that the UK would still have access to the single market: “EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down,” he said. “The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation.”

Johnson, then foreign secretary, told the House of Commons in July 2017: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.”


Michael Gove
In April 2016, Michael Gove said the UK would have the best of both worlds. “Outside the EU, we would still benefit from the free trade zone which stretches from Iceland to the Russian border,” he said. “But we wouldn’t have all the EU regulations which cost our economy £600m every week.”

Dominic Raab
Two months before the June 2016 referendum vote, Raab told Andrew Neil on BBC Sunday Politics: “We’re very well placed, and mutual self-interest suggests we’d cut a very good deal and it’s certainly not in the European’s interests to erect trade barriers.”

During an appearance on the BBC’s Daily Politics in April 2016, Raab added: “The idea that Britain would be apocalyptically off the cliff edge if we left the EU is silly.”

However, post-referendum, Raab appeared to have changed his tune, writing for Brexit Central in October 2016: “Ideally, we continue trading without tariffs or other barriers. In the worst-case scenario, we would face the EU’s external tariff, which averages 3.6%, rising to 10% on cars and 32% on wine.” Later in the piece, he adds: “Even on the worst case scenario, Britain will thrive outside the EU.”

In March 2017, Raab wrote in the Telegraph: “If there’s no deal within two years, it won’t be for lack of an ambitious UK offer. It would represent the triumph of the EU’s rather inward-looking politics over the reality of the outside world. That would be a shame, but only serve to vindicate Britain’s decision to leave.”

Invited to provide evidence for Raab’s comments to the BBC, a Cabinet Office spokeswoman said: “This is not for the civil service to answer.”

Matthew Elliot, former chief executive of Vote Leave
Responding to the Office for National Statistics’ trade figures in March 2016, Matthew Elliott, the chief executive of Vote Leave, said: “It’s clear the trade deck is stacked in the UK’s favour. EU trade is shrinking yet we are held back from striking deals with emerging markets as we’ve given up control to Brussels. The real question should be why our EU neighbours wouldn’t be clambering over themselves to secure a free trade deal with their biggest market.”

And in response to a report by The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) report on the economic consequences of Brexit in April 2016, Vote Leave issued a press release with an accompanying note criticising the “flawed assumption” that the UK would not do a free trade deal with the EU after Brexit.

It read: “The OECD states that: ‘trade with the EU and other countries would initially revert to a WTO MFN-basis’. This is a highly flawed assumption that not even the IN campaign seriously contemplates as a realistic possibility. Leading pro-EU campaigners have admitted the UK will strike a free trade agreement if we Vote Leave.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eave-leaders-really-said-about-no-deal-brexit

I don't know why all you Brexers are still whining.

Unfortunately JohnD is too stupid to realise its an ongoing negotiation.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
And yet the basic facts of the trade balance are that ...

If UK/EU trade halved, EU would lose 4% of exports, and UK would lose 24%

Ryler foolishly pretends that it is more painful to lose 4% than to lose 24%

If UK/EU trade ceased (improbable), EU would lose 8% of exports, and UK would lose 48%

Ryler foolishly pretends that it is more painful to lose 8% than to lose 48%

I think Ryler was off school the week they did percentages.
 
If UK/EU trade halved, EU would lose 4% of exports, and UK would lose 24%

Ryler foolishly pretends that it is more painful to lose 4% than to lose 24%

If UK/EU trade ceased (improbable), EU would lose 8% of exports, and UK would lose 48%

Ryler foolishly pretends that it is more painful to lose 8% than to lose 48%

I think Ryler was off school the week they did percentages.

And yet the basic facts of the trade balance are that the UK buys more from the 27 than the other way round.
 
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