Covid-19 discussion

conny said:

I've come close to banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain tosome people that, yes, Tom/Dick/Harry had Covid and died. But Tom/Dick/Harry also had COPD for the past 15 years and was not expected to live this long! It was the COPD which he died of even though he had the virus

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its possible somebody can live quite a normal life with COPD. If you are saying somebody was very ill with COPD and was expected to die imminently from COPD, but died of COVID19, then that should be chalked up as a COPD death.

but if somebody living with COPD that is living a normal life, then dies from COVID19, the death must be due to the virus. Surely its irrelevant whether the person had already exceeded their life expectancy, the fact is their life was cut short by the virus.

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Notch7 said:

just an aside to this thread: it seems an early symptom of CV is a loss of taste and smell.

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My wife is 99.9999% sure she's had it a month or so ago just before most people became aware of it, along with our Grandson and his other Granny who shared childminding duties. For the first time in 15 years she took a week off of work - absolutely unheard of for her and she has gone in when she really shouldn’t have in the past - too conscientious for her own good. Also, she took paracetamol and she has to be practically dying before she would take anything. She felt run down, aching, had a persistent cough that kept us both awake all night plus she had loss of smell and taste. Couldn’t put her finger on what it actually was and she is medically aware - practically a doctor! Only joking about the last bit but she does know her illnesses. Anyway, I hope she's right because she has mild asthma and she has to be careful. She works for the NHS as a medical typist and (after complaining) they’ve opened up another office and moved two others out of her office to maintain the social distancing 2 metre rule between themselves - there were 4 of them in an office that you couldn’t swing a cat.

EFLImpudence said:

I note that the number of deaths from covid (~2,000) has just passed the annual death toll of road traffic accidents and, coincidentally, the total number of cases of covid is about the same as the annual number of serious injuries (~29,000) from RTAs from which I assume people never fully recover.

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globally 3,800 people die every day on the roads, currently CV is taking just over 4000 per day.
The big difference is, one is accepted as normal and the other is so serious that we are risking the collapse the entire economy of the world.
Also we don't know where CV is going, it could be 20,000 a day anytime soon - it's an unknown and as such it is wise to be very very cautious.

Munroist said:

globally 3,800 people die every day,

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It's way more than that.

EFLImpudence said:

It's way more than that.

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I forgot to add "in road traffic accidents' although it should have been clear from the post I was answering.

Munroist said:

I forgot to add "in road traffic accidents' although it should have been clear from the post I was answering.

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Ah, sorry.

Just to say then, 150,000 die daily.

EFLImpudence said:

Ah, sorry.

Just to say then, 150,000 die daily.

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it sounds a lot, but balanced with the 380,000 births per day it provides a population growth of 230,000 people every single day.

Thing is every living thing on this planet will die. That is not "a might" it is a hard nailed fact. Whether you die of natural causes, which could just as well be some other nasty horrible disease such as cancer, heart failure, pneumonia etc etc etc or this covid virus what is the difference, the end result is the same and absolutely inevitable. Healthy kids die under "normal circumstances." People die, seemingly perfectly healthy people, every single day. Even younger people who think they are invincible die. Death is the irrefutable consequence of life. So why all of a sudden are people so afraid of death, which prior to this virus thing death was absolutely guaranteed for everybody sooner or later but hardly anyone cared. Someone on here in an earlier post mentioned about dying in a hospital bed gasping for breath. Do you seriously think that your death, when it comes, will be a walk in the park? Of course it wont. The lead up to the vast majority of "natural death" will involve some sort of agonising time prior to the eventual realease. If you are very very lucky you will pop your clogs with a massive heart attack or a massive stroke or something similar. Otherwise your's, mine and the vast majority of everybody else will be a long drawn out time of agonising illness. The only thing that every news outlet is concentrating on is the number of deaths that are occuring as a result of this virus. Okay this virus thing isn't very nice but neither is any other cause of death. But people are recovering, and some even only have mild symptoms or no symptoms. Little or nothing is being said about any of that. Thing is they are recovering only to die of something else later. Think about it and watch out for that bus.

pete50 said:

Little or nothing is being said about any of that

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It's being mentioned every day. Often. Figures are published along side deaths.

Open your eyes boyo.

The current coronavirus outbreak is the biggest challenge for the world since World War Two, UN Secretary General António Guterres has warned.

He said it could bring a recession "that probably has no parallel in the recent past".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52114829

There we go...
So it's...
1 - Virus
2- World Recession
3 - ?

I think "War" would fit the equation for No3.

pete50 said:

the end result is the same and absolutely inevitable.

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inevitable when?

there are millions of people in this country that either is, or has a close relative that has a condition that makes them vulnerable.

many of these people are living perfectly healthy lives with their condition.
if they get covid they hare very likely to die.

thats why its a big deal.

Mottie said:

My wife is 99.9999% sure she's had it a month or so ago just before most people became aware of it, along with our Grandson and his other Granny who shared childminding duties. For the first time in 15 years she took a week off of work - absolutely unheard of for her and she has gone in when she really shouldn’t have in the past - too conscientious for her own good. Also, she took paracetamol and she has to be practically dying before she would take anything. She felt run down, aching, had a persistent cough that kept us both awake all night plus she had loss of smell and taste. Couldn’t put her finger on what it actually was and she is medically aware - practically a doctor! Only joking about the last bit but she does know her illnesses. Anyway, I hope she's right because she has mild asthma and she has to be careful. She works for the NHS as a medical typist and (after complaining) they’ve opened up another office and moved two others out of her office to maintain the social distancing 2 metre rule between themselves - there were 4 of them in an office that you couldn’t swing a cat.

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So its likely you may have already been infected and are asymptomatic.

Mottie 1 Covid 0

SirGalahad said:

So its likely you may have already been infected and are asymptomatic.

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Who are you calling a symptomatic?

Are PM's being done on the deceased, or are they getting shot of the corpses asap?