2005 build - poor wet area tiling quality example

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Hello everyone,

This is just a general interest post. Redoing the ensuite and when I started to take off the tiles, I found they barely had any adhesive at all, to the point where I could pull them off by hand if I'd wanted to. How they have remained fixed at all is beyond me.

There was no PVA and no tanking of any kind in the wet area and as a result, quite a bit of timber has been damaged. The skim has failed entirely in places, as has the grout. To cap it all, the partition (where the mirror is fixed) is paramount board, which is rotten through, as are its wood beams and will all have to be taken down. Floor will have to come up now too and I'm dreading to think what I'll find under there!

The plumbers smashed holes in the plasterboard to accommodate the shower tray and just left it. The tiles were stuck over the top. There was nothing behind the those tiles at all, held together by silicon. I made the circular hole to inspect the soil run, but the rest is as I found it.

This is a Ben Bailey new build from 2005. Over time I'd come to realise they were poor quality builds, but I never really understood just how bad they are until now.

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Disappointing isn’t it, you would expect proper tradesmen to be hired to do new builds but sadly this isn’t uncommon.

Hopefully you are otherwise happy with the house and area and you can give the house some much needed love and do the job properly.
I was talking to a plumber last September who was doing work on my neighbours 2006 build bathroom where most of the houses on the estate had leaky bathrooms. He said if you go into the hallway they all had a damp patch in the same place on the ceiling. He was replacing the floor and tanking etc.

Frighteningly he told me he had just installed a new bathroom at a cost of £8k for a lady in a new build where the developer was still building on the site. She was going through her insurer but the plumber listed the problems he encountered and the wrong materials used.
 
Have you operated the main shut-offs - interior & exterior?

You dont use Pva in wet areas neither do you use plaster board in wet areas - instead, use backer board of some kind.

I take it that you are skipping the bathroom fixtures?

Try and work clean - dont be trampling through debris - remove rubble as you produce it.

When all the p/b is removed to expose bare studding then why not post pics?
 
Disappointing isn’t it, you would expect proper tradesmen to be hired to do new builds but sadly this isn’t uncommon

I cant imagine a genuine tradesman would produce something like this. On the plus side, it's good experience for me and saved a ton of graft getting those tiles off...
 
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Have you operated the main shut-offs - interior & exterior?

You dont use Pva in wet areas neither do you use plaster board in wet areas - instead, use backer board of some kind.

I take it that you are skipping the bathroom fixtures?

Try and work clean - dont be trampling through debris - remove rubble as you produce it.

When all the p/b is removed to expose bare studding then why not post pics?

Thanks bobasd. I am planning to use aquapanel and yes, skipping the fixtures. Nothing has been disconnected yet whilst I wait for deliveries. I wasn't sure what I'd find behind the plasterwork so I've had to order end caps as needed. Also awaiting more rubble sacks. Everything is understandably delayed, but on the positive side, I get more time to plan an approach.

There isn't really any proper studwork, it's paramount board. I've not seen it before. It's basically a cardboard sandwich and doesn't look salvageable. It will have to come out anyway as I want to hang a basin/cabinet unit on that wall and I cant see that existing stuff taking the load, even if it were in good condition.

I thought I might start a thread for this job just to keep a record of it, if thats allowed.
 
OP,
Yes well allowed & welcomed i'm sure - your text and pics are great for all those other DIY'ers who will follow your thread now and in the future, well done.

Using Paramount in a residence is bad practice in my book - its for partitioning offices and commercial areas not houses.
Why do builders use it - speed.

By and large, the Paramount will have to come out causing you lots of extra work.
 
New house build produces the worst kind of building work.
There's virtually no supervision, much corruption, and tremendous pressure to speed and finish the job.
Whoever financed the job wants their money back double quick time.
 
Paramount board is a pain but quite easy to deal with. Remove the plasterboard skin followed by the cardboard honeycomb. Be careful at this stage because the wall will have lost much of its strength. Build yourself a new frame ensuring it's all perfectly flat and plumb and use expanding foam adhesive to bond the new frame to the back of the existing plasterboard. At this stage you can also fix studwork supports of plywood for any new fittings. Board over your new studwork with whatever you've chosen to use. These pictures of a recent one I did might help.
 

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