Update on newbie doing Drive belt progress, need further help please

Burnerman · 29 Apr 2020

Okeydokey you’ll appreciate that the tensioner needs to locate to the engine block via its peg (tensioner) and round hole (block).
Try and locate the tensioner, ignore any crazy angle that it might want to assume because when you try to turn the nut that spring loads the tensioner, it will move quite a bit.
Sorry but I can’t really add any more!
When the new tensioner arrives, give us a good pic of the front and the back. Dimensionally it should be exactly the same as the old one, so again, pics of the two side by side.
John

Rightboy91 · 29 Apr 2020

Burnerman said:
Okeydokey you’ll appreciate that the tensioner needs to locate to the engine block via its peg (tensioner) and round hole (block).
Try and locate the tensioner, ignore any crazy angle that it might want to assume because when you try to turn the nut that spring loads the tensioner, it will move quite a bit.
Sorry but I can’t really add any more!
When the new tensioner arrives, give us a good pic of the front and the back. Dimensionally it should be exactly the same as the old one, so again, pics of the two side by side.
John

thank you for your patience throughout, once the tensioner is on all should be good. takes me a little long due to my dyspraxia but almost done this job now so please stay with me while I complete it.
I don't think it is to do with it will move when I turn the bolt on the tensioner because every time i let go off the bolt the tensioner pulley will be upaide down

What I am trying to say is this, when the tensioner goes on, before it is even bolted in it needs to be on the car straight. When I put it on the car straight the metal sticking out tab thing that has been suggested should go into the large hole on the engine that is meant for the dowel, when when I place the tensioner straight on the car ready to tgihten it down the metal tab is an inch or so away from the dowel hole.
I am holding the tensioner straight to tighten it down, only way I can place the tab near the hole i s to almost turn the tensioner upside down but then it would be upside down.

If the new one comes with a dowel on the back it will be so much easier. thanks

troutybrown · 29 Apr 2020

You need to tension it and put locking pin in then fit it

Rightboy91 · 29 Apr 2020

troutybrown said:
You need to tension it and put locking pin in then fit it

hi
does this apply even to old tensioner not just the new ones ? I have been trying to fit it without locking it in could that be the problem ?
It could be another week until the new tensioner comes so I was trying to put it back together will old tensioner until then

will the tensioner not go back on properly unless it is locked in first ? if you mena lock it in just to make t easier to pull belt over pulleys that is not needed because i can just use ratchet on last pulley and pull belt oover easily enough but do you mean it won't go on the car unless its locked in ?
thanks

troutybrown · 29 Apr 2020

I'm talking about the old one new one should come with a pin already in.

Rightboy91 · 29 Apr 2020

troutybrown said:
I'm talking about the old one new one should come with a pin already in.

hi
yes it should but it won't really help with the difficult I am experiencing fitting the tensioner back on
the current one has no dowel/lug on the back on it that slots onto the engine, it is not going on right and the belt is way too slack after taking off the tensioner and putting the tensioner back on
thanks

Keithmac · 30 Apr 2020

The only reason that "tab" is there is so you can locate it correct in the block.

You should be able to put it in position easily so the back is completely flat to the engine face and the tab located correctly before the centre bolt goes anywhere near it.

It's very easy to bend parts not in correct location with just the tightening torque of the centre bolt..

magicmushroom666 · 30 Apr 2020

Its not really clear what you mean by it has to go on straight, straight doesn't really relate to anything in that setup? The back of the tensioner with the tab sticking out needs to sit flat against the engine, that tab needs to locate against something to stop it rotating. I've not got experience with this setup but usually with something like that it will mount up flat against the engine etc and the pulley wont be in exactly the right place to get the belt on, you need to then wind up the tensioner, ie turning it via the bolt so the sprung bit rotates and you put tension on the internal spring and hold it there somehow whilst fitting the belt. Then when the belt is on, you can release the tensioner and it will try to spring back and hold the belt tight.

Mottie · 30 Apr 2020

magicmushroom666 said:
that tab needs to locate against something to stop it rotating

Needs to locate inside something to stop it rotating. It has to locate inside something just big enough to fit into. It fits inside the circular hole in the block. If you fit it inside one of the elongated slots, it will move.

Rightboy91 · 30 Apr 2020

Mottie said:
Needs to locate inside something to stop it rotating. It has to locate inside something just big enough to fit into. It fits inside the circular hole in the block. If you fit it inside one of the elongated slots, it will move.

If I fit it inside the large hole that is meant for the lug/dowel it will still move as the hole is about 8 times bigger than that metal tab which is how I know that hole is for a lug. The tab won't fit tight in that hole it is a tiny tab and that is a big hole. if that tab is supposed to slot into something surely it is meant to go into a hole as big at it is, that round circle hole is way biggee than that tab

Rightboy91 · 30 Apr 2020

magicmushroom666 said:
Its not really clear what you mean by it has to go on straight, straight doesn't really relate to anything in that setup? The back of the tensioner with the tab sticking out needs to sit flat against the engine, that tab needs to locate against something to stop it rotating. I've not got experience with this setup but usually with something like that it will mount up flat against the engine etc and the pulley wont be in exactly the right place to get the belt on, you need to then wind up the tensioner, ie turning it via the bolt so the sprung bit rotates and you put tension on the internal spring and hold it there somehow whilst fitting the belt. Then when the belt is on, you can release the tensioner and it will try to spring back and hold the belt tight.

when I say it has to go on straight I mena it has to line up. like if you were hanging a picute on a wall you would make sure it was straight wouldn't you before putting it up, you wouldn't put it up on an angle or upside down and then hammer it in with a nail.

I know I need to move the tensioner clockwide to put the belt on , I know how to do the belt my only dififculty is fitting the tensioner back on

Mottie · 30 Apr 2020

Is this a wind up? For the last frikking time, you have been shown exactly where the lug has to go. Look at post #120 by Troutybrown. IGNORE what position it is in when it’s on.

Rightboy91 · 30 Apr 2020

Mottie said:
Is this a wind up? For the last frikking time, you have been shown exactly where the lug has to go. Look at post #120 by Troutybrown. IGNORE what position it is in when it’s on.

it does not have a lug it has a tiny metal tab. The circle hole is for a lug to go into yes, but on this tensioner it does not have a lug. I am hoping the new one will when it finally arrives, I ordered from euro car parts yesterday as the other noe still has not arrived I have had a lot of things go missing with royal mail recently, they need investigating I think.
I would have to roatate this tensioner at about 180 degree angle to get the metal tab to go into the hole for the lug, and eve nthen te tab wouldn't fit in nicely there will be a massive gap all around it

Rightboy91 · 30 Apr 2020

Rightboy91 said:
it does not have a lug it has a tiny metal tab. The circle hole is for a lug to go into yes, but on this tensioner it does not have a lug. I am hoping the new one will when it finally arrives, I ordered from euro car parts yesterday as the other noe still has not arrived I have had a lot of things go missing with royal mail recently, they need investigating I think.
I would have to roatate this tensioner at about 180 degree angle to get the metal tab to go into the hole for the lug, and eve nthen te tab wouldn't fit in nicely there will be a massive gap all around it

Mottie said:
Is this a wind up? For the last frikking time, you have been shown exactly where the lug has to go. Look at post #120 by Troutybrown. IGNORE what position it is in when it’s on.

Also if I line up the tab to that hole ( also why woula tiny tab go in a huge hole what would be the point of it as it will not be a tight fit its just in thin air) if I line it up with the hole then the pulley will not be sitting straight it will be the oppposite way around

Mottie · 30 Apr 2020

Update on newbie doing Drive belt progress, need further help please

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